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racprops · 09-14-2013, 06:37 AM

First don't trust Dennis Lee and Dutchman Company nor Mike Holler, nor his wife.

Second the HAFC and the PICC by Dutchman don't work.

Third the Improv 2000 (a cold gas vapor unit) does not work. (tested on both 2000 Ford and on 84 and 93 Chevy Vans.)

Fourth The Gadgetman Grove (Throttle body Mod) does not work.
(See: Gadgetmangroove - Page 3 - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com for more info)

Fifth The James version of the Throttle Body Grove does not work.

Sixth The EBN HHO Cell does does not work.

Seven The Volo FS chip does not work

Eight Reseting the A/F ratios works, that at 17:1 the Ford gets 5/6 MPG more and does not cause higher exhaust temps, that higher settings cause less MPG. These setting have major impact on power for take off.

Nine Fool the PCM and you fool the Scan GaugeII, which is what led me to this site and my buying three MPGunios.

Ten, for settings of the MPGunio for a 2000 Ford look for my posts about that.

Eleven The Hull Effect by Robert Hull does not work in a FI Car.

Twelve A split gas HHO (The Hydrogen and OX are kept apart and delivered to the car by themselves) does not work.

Thirteen The ED (A device you build to control the Injectors) does not work.

Fourteenth The Tuning 101 Modified (A Effe control device) does not work.

Fifteen A manual control changing the MAF sensor does not work. (sure fools the Scan GaugeII)

Sixteen The Dixie Caps do not work. (Caps put on top of injectors)

Seventeen O2 Extender Fittings do not work (both the 2000 Ford and my 93 Chevy Van)

Eighteen Advancing the Cam in a Chevy 350 Engine in a 93 Van does not work.(For MPG)

Nineteen Adding a lower air dam on a custom 93 Van does not work.(For MPG)

Twenty Adding ground effects to a custom 93 Chevy Van does not help Gas mileage BUT does help road stability from cross winds and does the air dam.

Twenty One Running 18 inch wheels and low profile tires does not majorly effect MPG and gives you a better handling car and van with more control in a blowout.

Twenty two Water injection does not work.

Twenty Three As far as I have been able to test for, up to a 30 AMP Load does not impact MPH, a/c does.

Twenty Four Higher Speed does lower MPG

Twenty Five A 2000 Ford cannot coast out of gear at idle, motor will run at higher RPM than it was in gear, this does not happen in a 93 Van nor a 91 Toyota.

Twenty Six Adding air foils (Vortex) to a 93 Van does not work. (look at the rear end of my Van in the pictures to see what I am talking about)

Twenty Seven A Ozone venting system to the Motor does not work for MPG, but seems to prolong the life of a Distributor Cap and Rotor.

Twenty Eight The Zemco Mileage Computer will not work on a FI Car due to the fuel return system, should work on a newer returnless FI Cars.

Twenty Nine a TH209R4 can improve a 79 Camaro 305's Take off due to the faster first gear, and its OD and rejetting the Quad can improve its MPG, I used to get at fill ups 14 to 19 overall MPG. I now wish I had tested it for a 100 to 200 MPG Highway run. As my Ford get nearly the same combined MPG and also gets 27/30 Highway....

Thirty Swapping a Olds 305 into a 84 Chevy van replacing a 350 DOES NOT get better MPG due to the smaller motor, in fact it gets worst, drown fro 16 MPG to 10 MPG AND it is so slow on mountains I was honked at and in the way for Semi Trucks as I often had to down shift to second.

Thirty One The EnPVC Valve does not improve MPG but does seem to keep the oil cleaner longer.

Thirty Two, trying to over ride the Gas Vapor Valve in a 2000 Ford does not help MPG.

Thirty Three A Ozone Generator in the intake air hose failed due to shorting out to the hose..seems the air and water hoses are laced with carbon or metal to ground any static and NOT true rubber hoses. These hoses also shorted out the Hull effect.

Thirty Four Do not make changes to a car stock system unless you really need to: Consider that GM once tried to mount a Carb with only three bolts, they figured they would save millions in bolt costs and in labor in drill and tapping and not installing that forth bolt. So if they could remove anything and still keep the car running correctly they would. (I learned this the hard way as a teenager with a 67 Cougar XR7)

Thirty Five, a Quad carb seems to get one to two MPG more due to it smaller primary over other carbs like the Carter AFB.

Thirty Six Older manual Borg Warner Over Drives could free wheel. (a automatic coasting system that was a little safer that shifting out of gear, you lost engine braking but could speed up by hitting the gas.)

Thirty Seven High Performance DOES NOT mean better, only that these parts are for hard performance.. Like Slotted and drilled rotors, and High Performance Pads..rotors vibrated and disk pads need to heat up to work right...I found this to be true across the board.

Thirty Eight Almost all performance engine products cost MPG, performance Cams shift the RPM range higher, losing low RPM Torque in favor of higher RPM power..and so on and so on.

Thirty Nine I fully believe that the reason we now get 100,000 plus in our cars are due to Fuel Injection, two reasons, one you do not start a cold motor by pumping in one or two shots of raw gas into the intake, and two due to how a FI car take two or more full revolution before starting, this allows OIL pressure to be built before firing, My old Carb Cars could fire on 1/2 turn. And better metals and building specs, all to fill the mandated smog systems last the life of the car, or 100,000 miles.

Forty I also fully believe our cars could get much better gas mileage. That they are rigged not to.

See Shell Opel as ONE proof of the possibility.

All the above "do not work" applies to my work with my 2000 Mercury Grand Marques (Ford), my 93 Van and my 1991 Toyota Camry Wagon and others.. I cannot say these devices do not nor cannot work in other cars.

I consider the possibility all (well some, some I did test fully) of these failures could be my fault, that due to some lack of information or knowledge I missed or did something wrong.

This summer due to new information and being told some "mistakes" I may have made with HHO, I follow the new instructions and retried HHO. Only to have it fail again.

The quest goes on.

Is that enough?

Rich

09-14-2013, 06:37 AM	#145 (permalink)
racprops Master EcoModder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 799 Thanks: 4 Thanked 66 Times in 58 Posts	First don't trust Dennis Lee and Dutchman Company nor Mike Holler, nor his wife. Second the HAFC and the PICC by Dutchman don't work. Third the Improv 2000 (a cold gas vapor unit) does not work. (tested on both 2000 Ford and on 84 and 93 Chevy Vans.) Fourth The Gadgetman Grove (Throttle body Mod) does not work. (See: Gadgetmangroove - Page 3 - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com for more info) Fifth The James version of the Throttle Body Grove does not work. Sixth The EBN HHO Cell does does not work. Seven The Volo FS chip does not work Eight Reseting the A/F ratios works, that at 17:1 the Ford gets 5/6 MPG more and does not cause higher exhaust temps, that higher settings cause less MPG. These setting have major impact on power for take off. Nine Fool the PCM and you fool the Scan GaugeII, which is what led me to this site and my buying three MPGunios. Ten, for settings of the MPGunio for a 2000 Ford look for my posts about that. Eleven The Hull Effect by Robert Hull does not work in a FI Car. Twelve A split gas HHO (The Hydrogen and OX are kept apart and delivered to the car by themselves) does not work. Thirteen The ED (A device you build to control the Injectors) does not work. Fourteenth The Tuning 101 Modified (A Effe control device) does not work. Fifteen A manual control changing the MAF sensor does not work. (sure fools the Scan GaugeII) Sixteen The Dixie Caps do not work. (Caps put on top of injectors) Seventeen O2 Extender Fittings do not work (both the 2000 Ford and my 93 Chevy Van) Eighteen Advancing the Cam in a Chevy 350 Engine in a 93 Van does not work.(For MPG) Nineteen Adding a lower air dam on a custom 93 Van does not work.(For MPG) Twenty Adding ground effects to a custom 93 Chevy Van does not help Gas mileage BUT does help road stability from cross winds and does the air dam. Twenty One Running 18 inch wheels and low profile tires does not majorly effect MPG and gives you a better handling car and van with more control in a blowout. Twenty two Water injection does not work. Twenty Three As far as I have been able to test for, up to a 30 AMP Load does not impact MPH, a/c does. Twenty Four Higher Speed does lower MPG Twenty Five A 2000 Ford cannot coast out of gear at idle, motor will run at higher RPM than it was in gear, this does not happen in a 93 Van nor a 91 Toyota. Twenty Six Adding air foils (Vortex) to a 93 Van does not work. (look at the rear end of my Van in the pictures to see what I am talking about) Twenty Seven A Ozone venting system to the Motor does not work for MPG, but seems to prolong the life of a Distributor Cap and Rotor. Twenty Eight The Zemco Mileage Computer will not work on a FI Car due to the fuel return system, should work on a newer returnless FI Cars. Twenty Nine a TH209R4 can improve a 79 Camaro 305's Take off due to the faster first gear, and its OD and rejetting the Quad can improve its MPG, I used to get at fill ups 14 to 19 overall MPG. I now wish I had tested it for a 100 to 200 MPG Highway run. As my Ford get nearly the same combined MPG and also gets 27/30 Highway.... Thirty Swapping a Olds 305 into a 84 Chevy van replacing a 350 DOES NOT get better MPG due to the smaller motor, in fact it gets worst, drown fro 16 MPG to 10 MPG AND it is so slow on mountains I was honked at and in the way for Semi Trucks as I often had to down shift to second. Thirty One The EnPVC Valve does not improve MPG but does seem to keep the oil cleaner longer. Thirty Two, trying to over ride the Gas Vapor Valve in a 2000 Ford does not help MPG. Thirty Three A Ozone Generator in the intake air hose failed due to shorting out to the hose..seems the air and water hoses are laced with carbon or metal to ground any static and NOT true rubber hoses. These hoses also shorted out the Hull effect. Thirty Four Do not make changes to a car stock system unless you really need to: Consider that GM once tried to mount a Carb with only three bolts, they figured they would save millions in bolt costs and in labor in drill and tapping and not installing that forth bolt. So if they could remove anything and still keep the car running correctly they would. (I learned this the hard way as a teenager with a 67 Cougar XR7) Thirty Five, a Quad carb seems to get one to two MPG more due to it smaller primary over other carbs like the Carter AFB. Thirty Six Older manual Borg Warner Over Drives could free wheel. (a automatic coasting system that was a little safer that shifting out of gear, you lost engine braking but could speed up by hitting the gas.) Thirty Seven High Performance DOES NOT mean better, only that these parts are for hard performance.. Like Slotted and drilled rotors, and High Performance Pads..rotors vibrated and disk pads need to heat up to work right...I found this to be true across the board. Thirty Eight Almost all performance engine products cost MPG, performance Cams shift the RPM range higher, losing low RPM Torque in favor of higher RPM power..and so on and so on. Thirty Nine I fully believe that the reason we now get 100,000 plus in our cars are due to Fuel Injection, two reasons, one you do not start a cold motor by pumping in one or two shots of raw gas into the intake, and two due to how a FI car take two or more full revolution before starting, this allows OIL pressure to be built before firing, My old Carb Cars could fire on 1/2 turn. And better metals and building specs, all to fill the mandated smog systems last the life of the car, or 100,000 miles. Forty I also fully believe our cars could get much better gas mileage. That they are rigged not to. See Shell Opel as ONE proof of the possibility. All the above "do not work" applies to my work with my 2000 Mercury Grand Marques (Ford), my 93 Van and my 1991 Toyota Camry Wagon and others.. I cannot say these devices do not nor cannot work in other cars. I consider the possibility all (well some, some I did test fully) of these failures could be my fault, that due to some lack of information or knowledge I missed or did something wrong. This summer due to new information and being told some "mistakes" I may have made with HHO, I follow the new instructions and retried HHO. Only to have it fail again. The quest goes on. Is that enough? Rich Last edited by racprops; 09-14-2013 at 08:54 AM..