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Originally Posted by RustyLugNut
I build HHO systems that flat out work. Within reason.
And I have had no problems with "suppression".
I have a business with a BBB listing as well as a phone number. I have my name and engineering license on various white papers and trade journals. And yet, no oil company "goons" have come to take me and my knowledge away. I have had them contact me for process subsystems and for my knowledge in toxic compound remediation. If you can help them make a buck, they will contact you. Oil companies WANT greater fuel economy because it extends their business base.
How does that work?? IF I did invent a system that gave 100MPG how would that make them happy?? It would mean 1/4 the amount of gas sold.
How about how they and car makers OWN 90% of the paterns done on MPG research??
What I have had, is a stream of investors and "partners" that "want in" if I can make a doodad that will "double a cars fuel mileage" with a single stroke. I show them the required monies needed to do a proper integrated system that meets both governmental requirements as well as customer satisfaction requirements but "only" produces 15% fuel economy advantage in the EPA FTP 75 drive cycle. They tell me I obviously don't know what I'm doing since I don't know how to double a cars fuel economy.
People such as you, racerops, damage the credible work efforts of the aforementioned FVT, Transonic and others - people who have real engineering efforts building real science based products. The hurdle to bring such systems to market is so huge, that most will fail. Not because of "suppression" but because that is the way the market works.
Again that does not compute, when I was with Dutchman I had a protental deal with a few sub contractors that could have made me millions and in that 5 months we had people running into the hundreds, both sales and dealers.
IF only Dutchman had spend a little more on making a good product and not told so many whoppers...and tried to have too many people making too much markup so the retail price was too high...
The internet has allowed us wonderful connectivity to a wealth of information. It also allows us to derive an "internet education" that can be dangerous as information without the filter of foreknowledge results in errors. It also allows errors to rapidly propagate without the strictures of editing and proper peer review. It results in people ignoring extensive education, experience and criticism and simply saying "that's all nice and all . . . but look at this YouTube video!"
You have not presented "Proof". You have produced anecdotal evidence. If you cannot discern the difference, you will have great problems in argument here. It is all I can find...and there seems only to be two schools, the so call crackpots saying these things can work and the Hard Core saying the first group are crackpots I can already see that you have. I reside on the Ecomodder forums even though I disagree with many about things like HHO and vapor carbs. Many are adamant in their belief that they cannot work at all. But, to their credit, they have this section ( the unicorn coral ) that at least allows discussion. My goal is to develop a rolling testbed I can drive to the various members in the North American region and have them test it to their satisfaction. Will it "double your mileage"? No. Will it be "marketable"? Most likely not. But, it will expand our knowledge base which is the goal of this forum. How long will it take? I don't know. I still have to earn my daily bread like most people.
And it is obvious you have not extensively read through the forum content. Many people DO double their mileage on a regular basis with reasonable driving and aerodynamic modifications as well as good vehicle choices.
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I will admit it is hard to tell the truth from the lies.
And when I get a knee jerk reaction like I got here and shoved into the loony bin as this thread was and ONLY one reasonable voice (yours) that does not totally condemn what I am TRYING to learn, well can you blame me??
Again I reached out to you but between your NDA and consulting fees I gave up hoping to talk with you.
HHO has been around for decades, and keep having people totally sure it can work.
Gas Vapor also has been around from the very beginning, I read some where the very first motor ran off the vapor take off a sock soaked in gasoline...but metering it was impossible to carbs were born...
When I read things like this:
Not Taught In Schools! Supressed Information On Free Energy & AntiGravity!
And other things like a book called "Suppressed Inventions and other Discoveries" it does become very hard to believe the hard core science.
I personally have see the Mighty Smithsonian miss represent items that I can prove are wrong...
I have talked with real people and had them tell their stories of suppression...
So the fact you have not had any is only proof that you have not had any...
Perhaps it is that your not trying to sell them only show them..and show that they do not work as some clam and that they are not cost effective, so in that way your really working in their best interest.
Your only paranoid if they are NOT after you.
Thanks for you honesty, it is nice to know HHO and Vapor can work.
Rich