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Sorry, must butt in…
Wickydude,
I gotta jump in with RustyLugNut. Our Kiwi friend makes the same classic mistake all of the other armchair thermodynamicists do with the "energy in must equal energy out" argument. That is, they love to forget the "in a closed system" caveat.
Combusting a mole of pure hydrogen with half a mole of pure oxygen in a bomb calorimeter is a far cry from the 4-stroke internal combustion engine. In the first example we say "assume a closed system". In the second we just laugh. Normally I treat the HOH controversy as click bait and just move on because so few people understand this that it's a waste of my time.
Believe me, I can present massive amounts of empiric evidence and argue that the world is flat. Give me just a day and I will force you into admitting the same publicly.
But it still wouldn't be true, would it?
Always remember that "There are more things in heaven and earth, Wickydude, then are dreamt of in your philosophy".
Or mine.
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