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Originally Posted by P-hack
I think what is bugging me most dbrcc isn't my ego, but your presumption and the expectations you put on others. Combined with the general lack of understanding that the results vary greatly by car and even with a build log you may need to be able to make many other modifications that are specific to your vehicle, and might not have the stuff to tune it or validate the results. It may still be beyond the reach of many DIYers, which are some of the same reasons that make it hard to market accurately.
There are a lot of HHO sellers competing with each other and making lots of unfounded claims as a result, and I understand the appeal of using plain old water and baking soda to boost your mileage, but there are many practicalities to consider.
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P-hack,
Sorry my presumptions and expectations have caused you any discord, it wasn't intended.
I presume people visit these forum for the same reasons as I.
My reasons are simple- profit being the first. I don't want to spend anymore for gas than I gotta, and I'd like to make my vehicle last as long as possible as well.
Distraction being the second reason. Setting a goal and working it gives me a mental break. Accomplishing the goal is nice also, but not mandatory.
And if somehow, someway I decrease my carbon footprint AND save money I'll figure I've been twice blessed.
Learning is how I plan to accomplish these goals. The same as everyone else here. And I expect we're all DIY'ers (but there are a few I suspect could go Pro easily).
Now granted that I may not be particularly as bright as most in this forum, but it doesn't take much due diligence before you realize that this is not a "one size fits all", and "something for nothing" shoppe. And us noobs may be wet behind the ears, but we're NOT retarded.
My expectations of others is also the same as for myself. We'll learn what we can and try what we think is reasonably in our reach. We'll also probably screw up- repeatedly. But hopefully we don't get so discouraged we stop trying.
And I think it's assumed that in payment for the free knowledge given here that we will be obliged to teach when we can. That's also part of the process.
I also expect intellectual honesty and courtesy, as I'm sure you do as well.
The process is incremental, just like so many of our other endeavors. I don't think anyone expects to replicate bondo's Aerocap on day 1. But it might be a good project to take on over the next year. His and Phils efforts (and theirs based also on prior work) have made it more reasonable for others to try. And people are doing just that- some with more success than others.
What I hope for most all is that at some point of us will reach for that which is outside of our grasp. Great things can happen. New things, or those rarely tried or considered- like remapping a crappy drive-by-wire throttle on your own.
Wow.
It's the build logs that document these efforts, both the successes and failures. And with each attempt we will get closer to putting a new advance into the hands of others.
Admittedly, some of the new "ideas" will never pan out.
But we will never know which ones unless we try. And that's the point, all practicalities considered.
For those willing to step up and attack those really big mountains- I realize that I'm as useless as teets on a boar hog to them, but i'll help 'em however I can. I certainly won't stand in their way or ridicule them.
Don't worry about the snake-oil. it's always been there and always will be, besides any sitting judge will tell you that it's a God-given right to be as stupid as we want- just as long as we don't hurt anyone else.
In my experience, snake oil, at least for those who would partake, usually makes people
feel better (probably a laxative effect). If it makes them drive slower as well? I'd call that a win-win, at least for them.
Finally, sorry about the length. The problem was with your initial sentence, which I hope I have explained fully to your (and everyone else that would question my motives) satisfaction.
So let me address your initial statement of your initial sentence: Are you
SURE that's what is bugging you? You don't gotta answer, it's just that right before my Id stuck his thumb in his mouth and went to sleep I might have noticed that on some of the fixtures around here the veneer don't exactly match the wood underneath. Seriously- not hatin', just askin'.