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Old 03-23-2014, 04:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Good enough is a bit subjective... it doesn't have to be 100% new to be usable.

But Here's my 2 bits.

You want the cells / sticks to be as close to each other (balanced) as possible ... close in all aspects : Ah or Wh of discharge capacity ... Resistance ... Self Discharge Rate ... etc.

In order top 4 sorting criteria :
  1. Balance of all 20 sticks as close to each other as possible , is better
  2. less resistance (Ohms) each stick is better.
  3. more capacity (Ah or Wh) each stick is better... whole pack only as good as the weakest cell or stick.
  4. less self discharge is better

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Test result values will vary with conditions ... different testing methods and conditions can give different results ... be it Ah or Wh numbers or Ohms of resistance , etc... ( so be as consistent in all testing as you can be ).

to determine resistance ... V=IR --> dV / dI = R
dV = the change in voltage from zero amps to under a load.
dI = the change in current from zero amps to the amps of the load.
R = Ohms of resistance.

A simple method is to use a volt meter before and less than 10 second after the amps change to a steady value ... you can use the superbrain (or any controlled load) to act and the load ( charge amps or discharge amps )... and a basic multimeter to see the change in voltage (dV) before and after that amps change (dI)... more than 10 seconds you are getting a bit too much into the natural voltage change as the battery charges or discharges.

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If you can verify the following minimums you know you'll be fine ... but plenty of people don't weed out as many as the bellow would.

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Originally Posted by retepsnikrep
Cells/sticks with less than say <4500ma capacity at 10A should probably be binned.

Cells/sticks that can't sustain a 70-80A load for at least 15 seconds without dropping below 0.9/0.8V should probably be binned.

Cells/sticks that heat up by more than say 10C during the above high current test should probably be binned.

Cells/sticks that self discharge more than 25% over one week should probably be binned.
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I would say if you can't do the 70+ Amp high load test described above ... do the resistance testing as high of Amps as your setup can do... Brand new 6 cell NiMH sticks (depending on temperature and SoC) can have as low as 18mOhms (0.018Ohms) of internal resistance ... the lower your sticks / cells are the better ... but I would personally give an absolute maximum high of about ~43 mOhms per stick ... more than that , and you can use it for something else ... but I wouldn't put it back into a HEV.
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