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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
I don't think I ever included all HEV's as being unjustifiable.
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
So if asked 'Do hybirds make sense?' your answer is basically, 'As long as someone else pays for them', since you're actually driving a car that will never pay for itself.
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Looks to me like you did that kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
Um, for whatever reason it took until post 150 for someone (you) to post the fact that the Gen1 was very cheap in the US. I think I even said it was a bargain.
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you got it backwards ... it is very , unusually more expensive in Australia... more than US.. more than Canada... more than UK ... etc... I think it's a pitty ... That Australia chose to penalize and discourage sales of that vehicle soo much.
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But like I already said, a Fit costs near enough to $100k in Singapore. Do you really think the Insight was cheaper than a Fit?
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I think what penalties a country imposes on a vehicle ... be it Australia on the Gen1 or Singapore on the Fit ... or others ... has very little to do with what it costs to manufacture the vehicle.
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You state repeatedly that it wasn't sold at a loss, that it represents future investment etc.
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My claim is a bit different than that ... I claim it wasn't sold at a loss compared to the cost to manufacture it ... don't add the additional 'future investment' part ... that isn't part of my claim.
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but in 2013 Ford and GM (Europe) lost over $1000 on every vehicle they sold:
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That is still not a loss based on the cost of manufacture vs the sale price.
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If throwing $100 Million more into advertising only generates $10 Million in more sales ... that is a $90 Million advertising loss ... but that loss $ ... gets rolled into the 'per vehicle' margin ... when ... from my PoV ... that is not a cost to manufacture the vehicle.
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We do know Honda admitted to selling at a loss, how much and how they justified that loss is all that's up for debate.
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See my previous disagreement about this interpretation you repeat... unless you have new evidence to present.