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Old 04-11-2015, 08:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
litesong
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All 3 cars show mpg increases for E0 of 8%, 7% & 5%...... 87 octane E10 has ethanol molecules that average 114 octane.... ALSO, the gasoline molecules must average 84 octane, IF an average octane of 87 is to be created, while blending 10% ethanol.

This is simple: gasoline engine engineers designed 87 octane gasoline engines to run best with 87 octane 100% E0. Ethanol engine engineers designed 114 octane ethanol engines to run best with 114 octane 100% ethanol. Ethanol/gasoline blends run neither gasoline or ethanol engines best.
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Originally Posted by jcp123 View Post
By the math, should be a 3% difference. But EVERY hack on every forum always claims a 10% diff...
Since I only claim 8% to 5% E0/E10 mpg differences, am I LESS of a hack?
Good ethanol engine engineers designed high 114 octane, high compression ratio(16:1) ethanol engines to get the most energy AND work out of 100% ethanol. Ethanol, as used(but NOT burned efficiently) in low 87 octane, low compression ratio (9:1 to 12:1) gasoline engines, cannot give up energy & its work, nearly as efficiently. That is why adding only 10% ethanol to gasoline, lowers mpg 8% to 5%.

Already stated, is that 87 octane E0 is 87 octane(& is NOT BASE octane 84 mixed with high octane premium to average 87 octane). But 87 octane E10 is a mis-brewed mix of 114 octane ethanol AND 84 octane gasoline molecules, neither of which perform optimally in 87 octane gasoline engines designed to burn 87 octane gasoline at its best.

Last edited by litesong; 04-11-2015 at 10:16 PM..
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