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Originally Posted by P-hack
HHO is maligned because it is pickle jars and electrodes and tons of hype and poor and often dishonest testing/marketing. As well as keeping two tanks topped off is impractical.
I don't see paying for the computing time to prove/disprove the hype. The company might throw HHO out there (didn't see where) because they could offer their services in the analysis of it, but how much "gain" (including losses) do you hope to get, and how much control of the combustion process is "bolt-on able"? (we aren't designing open cycle rockets from scratch here)
This is a red-herring from an hho perspective. Nobody is going to pay for this kind of research, but will insist there is something worth persuing there anyway. And the pickle jars will keep coming.
There is no real theory behind hho, just that it will somehow be better.
I mean, c'mon, there arent even any comparative hho dyno charts available (at least not ones where they didn't change 20 other things), and we are going to jump to thousands of parallel GPU's?!? (with lossy compression)
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No one in their right mind would take an honest look at HHO in a gasoline engine and build a robust business plan around it. Even the advanced theories would only support a few percent gains at a stiochiometric fuel/air mix. But that does not make it utter bunk.
HHO is buried in the drivel of the marketeers. What is the truth behind it? It's hard to find much substance. I am simply proposing to find out. You don't have to. Frank Lee doesn't have to and certainly deejaaa doesn't have to.
But, if you had taken the time to look at the video section that was suggested by the poster, you would have had in inkling of how complex the combustion situation is even in the simplest of fuels. If you had a collegiate understanding of the thermochemistry behind it, you could see the possibility of "railroading" the reaction to favor certain outcomes. Combustion theory is a rapidly growing field in both modelling and lab research. The short-lived HOOH radical has been a part of the theoretical models for decades and only in the last few years has it been detected. It is the radical that theoretically became tied up by tetraethyl lead. It is the radical that breaks hydrocarbon bonds. It railroads the reaction pathways.
So what is "railroading"? Most of you already understand the theory as it applies to combustion as most of you understand the effects of octane boosters and EGR. In both cases, the highly complex and hectic situation that is combustion becomes simplified by the addition of a comparatively small amount of a competing molecule (octane booster) or by the thermodynamic limits put on the reaction (temperature via EGR) limiting or eliminating certain combustion paths. Both situations result in lazy combustion pathways and a slowing down of the oxidation process. On the other hand, I have brought up research in various labs that has shown that the addition of O3(ozone) in the parts per million/billion results in measurable acceleration of combustion (oxidation) and measurable amount of additional pressure rise with reduced ignition lead time. A university student researcher in India has found traces of O3 evolved along with the O2 produced by an HHO electrolysis device. Along with the low energy of dissociation that H2 has and the natural tendency of water to dissociate ( this results in a pH count ), HOOH radicals are formed with increasing pressure, temperature and turbulence - before combustion has even started. The electrolysis based HHO generators provide all the ingredients to spur an accelerated combustion environment.
Now, does all the above mean a mason jar full of drain cleaner can help me get an additional 50% more range from my tank of gasoline? Of course not. But it does point to the possibility of a well crafted solution resulting in positive, measurable gains.