[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by racprops

OK I am giving up on the site and this thread.

First NO ONE hnere has ever build a Vapor system.

Second no one here seems to even have any idea out side the box.

Third we are not even discussing the idea of what power might be had with 100% vapor of a gal of gasoline.

How about this:

How much does 1 gallon of liquid gasoline displace as a vapor? The saturated vapor volume of an average gallon of liquid gasoline when fully evaporated is 160 gallons of vapor at 60° F and sea level. When you convert 1 gallon of gasoline into 160 gallons of highly combustible fuel vapor you increase your nation’s fuel supply by 16,000% (16,000% of 1 is 160). If you paid $5 for just one gallon of liquid gasoline you would actually only be paying $0.03 (3 cents) per gallon of fuel vapor.

How can you convert 1 gallon of liquid gasoline fuel into 160 gallons of gasoline vapor and increase your fuel supply by 16,000%? There are two known and proven ways to convert liquid gasoline into fuel vapor. One is to heat the liquid fuel before it enters the engine. The other is using ultrasonic nebulizer technology.

It is a well documented fact that air pollution from internal combustion engines is caused by unburned carbon fuel. Today, all gasoline powered vehicles burn only finely divided particles or droplets that are sprayed from the carburetor or fuel injectors, into the engine cylinders. This is a very wasteful process of converting gasoline or diesel to energy. 20-30 % efficiency at best. Converting liquid gasoline to a gasoline vapors will easily give 5 times the mpg and near zero emissions.

In the old days engines ran very lean as demonstrated by the fuel needle valve. In the old days just 1 tiny needle valve did the work of 6 to 8 fuel injectors. In the old days all engines ran on a much leaner amount of (less) fuel.

All internal combustion engines were made to run on highly combustible vapor, not liquid. It is well known that fuel-lean running improves the fuel efficiency of all vehicles. In the old days, under cruising conditions, the carburetor engines always ran lean – about 15% excess air. In the old days liquid fuel was reduced (made leaner) to finely divided particles or droplets before they enter the combustion chamber above the pistons. The carburetors reduced the liquid fuel into a very lean fuel mist before the fuel entered the combustion chamber above the pistons. Very high gas mileage is achieved by simply reducing liquid fuel into what all combustion engine need – gas vapor.

Vapor burns much cleaner than gasoline and has a higher octane rating. A lean running engine (ie, an engine using more air than fuel) has a cooler combustion process than the typical ECM engine with a preset (never deviating) chemically correct mixture of 14.6 air : 1 fuel.

In the early 1930s, Charles Nelson Pogue equipped a Ford V8 coupe with a vapor carburetor he designed and built and got over 200 MPG. He drove the V8 Ford from Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada to Vancouver B.C. Canada. He traveled 1879.5 miles on just 14.5 gallons of gasoline (the entire distance on just 3/4 of a 20 gallon tank of fuel) A standard carburetor used 106.5 gallons (or five, 20 gallon tanks of fuel) on the same trip.

In 1977, Tom Ogle demonstrated a 351 ci. Ford getting over 100 miles per gallon. He used a multiple fuel vaporizing system that had a 3 gallon tank. His system used heat to vaporize the liquid fuel. He received patent number 4,177,779 on Dec. 11, 1979, which described “A fuel economy system for an internal combustion engine which, when installed in a motor vehicle, obviates the need for a conventional carburetor, fuel pump and gasoline tank. The system operates by using the engine vacuum to draw fuel vapors from a vapor tank through a vapor conduit to a vapor equalizer which is positioned directly over the intake manifold of the engine.”

This is pure unicorn stuff, no car was ever made let alone a trip in 1930, and patents aren't a sign of actually producing anything, just the idea that maybe someday it could be done. A little girl applied for and received the patent for "swinging side it side on a regular swingset".

Having a gallon vaporized into a larger volume doesn't change the BTU in that volume. It's just harder to store. Higher octane isn't better, technically it would be lower octane, the higher the octane the harder it is to burn. The air to fuel ratio is set to allow the converter to work, this is not an option for a modern car maker to ditch. As I said, this lean mixture may be the biggest help in these vapor carbs but the same thing can be achieved with programming in a FI car or with jets in a normal carb. There is nothing special there about vapor. I bet it is not cleaner then a normal raito in a normal modern car with converter. The Ford Raptor for instance actually cleans the air it uses... That's right, it's tailpipe HC levels are actually lower then the HC levels in air surrounding us all.