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Old 06-11-2017, 10:03 AM   #95 (permalink)
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How will renewables not be controlled by anyone?

All the large wind farms are owned by the power company or an energy company and were built with tax payer money and tax breaks.
All the large scale solar builds are the same way.
All hydro power involving a large dam, samething.

All these renewables are completely dependent on non renewables for every aspect of implementation. All the affordable solar panels are made in China with no regard what so ever for the environment.
You can buy US panels for 3 to 4 time's the cost (last time I checked) and they're likely going to be made by BP or shell. Yes the oil companies.

Put a few grid tie Solar panels on your house? You're still completely depending on the power conpany and you probably used a government hand out and bank loan to pay for it. Then depending on your location, if the local power company is anti solar you could be paying an extra $20 a month the fancy grid tie meter.

Nothing green about off grid solar. Now you run a generator some times to keep your battery bank containing tons of lead acid batteries up. Then those batteries need replacing replaced every 10 years or so. Sooner if you don't use a generator and properly maintain the charge.

Don't get me wrong, I love solar panels and the idea of going off grid but don't pretend it's something it's not.
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