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Originally Posted by johnmyster
I've got some fish oil I'll sell. It works as a catalyst and also alters the speed of sound in the combustion chamber, effectively altering the flame speed and improving the leverage ratio of the piston/rod/crank system. It'll help with your current problems.
Really, so HHO improves the quality of combustion? What is so bad about the combustion process as is?
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Hmm as far as I know HHO has no significant effect on the quality of combustion in terms of mileage (perhaps the ability to combust in very lean high compression conditions) and has no effect on energy content in of itself either.
You seem to be the one falling for the BS explanations of hydroxy by asking me to provide a BS explanation.
You still haven't answered my previous question do you think leaning a engine results in different fuel mileage or does it have no effect?
Don't you see by making your foolish comments that anyone can see is FALSE by simply looking at their neighbors car, or guy down the street you ENCOURAGE people to believe made up made up REASONS like environmental energy, Steven Meyers circuits and other BS. The truth is many folks can make an HHO circuit without a dime going to anyone, that improves mileage but because you and others like you are too damn lazy to state the consequences of lean run, KOH in the intake, etc you leave folks who don't know better to put a potentially disastrouse system on their car without knowing risks. Or just as bad install a system assuming guaranteed results without having to do the work of leaning.
I have a feeling you and I are not too terribly far apart, I am very skeptacle of most everything, probably more so than you as is obvious by most of your posts, only difference between us is that I have driven, witnessed and used vehicles that were modded quite well with the works, scanguage, sensors, HHO, acetone, resistor on the map, etc. (they were free conversions by the way, as are most good conversions)
I still do not believe HHO is for many people, only hobbiests and I also strongly disagree with the marketing of HHO as a save all that it is not and giving odd explanations of it along with misleading results, while not listing the all the intensive modifications that usually need to be done.
If you would quit flaming and just give the true facts and warnings THAT ACTUALLY APPLY to the systems you might find the folks in the HHO discussions actually listen to you as opposed to figure you are some sort of nut job and ignore you.
I am curious if you have every tried to lean an engine of any size?
My personal experience with leaning (prior to HHO) was that it ran like crap and usually wouldn't idle.
Acetone and HHO / hydroxy whatever you want to call it are flammable in very very small quantities when under heat and compression they tend to smooth out the motor when run lean and you can actually get the thing to idle without stalling when they are present. Lean run is the name of the game and has always been for decades, mileage goes up, pumping losses down, but at the cost of possibly welding your engine they usually aren't worth the risk. The superheated fuel schemes are also along these lines as were the old spiral carburators.
Anyway, Eventually you will get wore down, I am not going anywhere and generally will badmouth any commercial HHO system that gets posted, you might find me on the same side as you some day.
I also have a feeling you aren't convincing anyone who isn't already convinced because of how you state your responses. By ignoring the real issue you can keep your responses boxed in and in fact some of your previous statements go against research done by those in what you would consider part of the legit hydrogen field. Sadly those that are in the universities generally DO NOT cooperate between each other and the spread of information from them is very slow and generally not open source. If you look there are already foreign countries considering legislating HHO systems on larger diesels to reduce emissions. Obviously there is something to this whether you agree with the explanations or not.
Hopefully someday you get forced into a situation where you encounter things you really don't expect or believe in within your own life. Somethings I have violently opposed I have ended up seeing work, HHO/leaning systems being one of them. While you are waiting for the federal government to force you to put one on your car, I and a few others will probably be using the units with some actually being sucessfull at it.
Good Luck
Ryan