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Old 01-12-2019, 04:54 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by JSH View Post
I guess that is one way to look at it. Another way is the Musk knew that his ramp up plan would never involve a $35K Model 3 being sold when the tax credit was still available. He lied and promised this combination anyway to boost the number of reservations.
Unless you have a telepathic connection to Elon's mind, there is no possible way you could know he was lying; short of Elon admitting he lied.

Lying requires two things:

1. False representation
2. Intention to deceive

The end of time hasn't occurred yet, so there's no way to say he's failed to deliver a $35,000 model at an indeterminate time, so 1 is still in question.

There's no evidence Musk intended to deceive, so 2 has not been established.

If you need an example, I could say I'm going to run a 4hr marathon. If I run it in 4:15, I haven't lied. Instead I was mistaken. The only way I'd be lying is if I never intended to attempt a 4hr marathon.

I'm not saying people have no right to be bitter about how things have turned out so far, but saying Elon lied is baseless.

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