[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Yeah I wouldn't call western Europe a success story.
Still burn fossil fuels to generate electricity some and still get a lot of energy from fossil fuels it's just more expensive. Gasoline is at least $5 a gallon and people still buy cars.
That's energy poverty.
I want change through energy prosperity.
Of course Europe has it backwards as usual.

What's the believer con to get people pay more than $10 per month?
Or make it easy, what's the con to get believers to open their wallets?
We are not talking $10 per month, Obamas cap and tax plan started out around $30 to $36 per month per person at first, then swelled to around $100 per person per month after several years.

Nobody is surprised you wouldn't.
Despite the fact that our roads are not pothole ridden.
Despite the fact that we still buy cars instead of oversized trucks and SUVs that wear down the roads even faster, just to commute and fetch groceries.
Despite the fact we burn half the fossil fuel per capita that the US does.

We probably spend several thousands more on tax than you do; not just on fuel costs, but on a lot of other things. But that money isn't lost in space.
Education, health care, unemployment benefits, social security, social housing, infrastructure, subsidies for clean energy, you name it. All paid for by taxes.
We even started to reduce our public debt. How will you do that?

We spend many thousands less on healthcare and insurance than you do for the same level of coverage. All in all we may well end up with more money to spend.
I won't say we do better - but we sure don't do worse.
Our measures obviously do work.