View Single Post
Old 09-24-2019, 05:02 PM   #337 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
redpoint5's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 9,103

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.24 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 26.83 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,173
Thanked 3,487 Times in 2,600 Posts
Originally Posted by Bicycle Bob View Post
I think that the obvious "fair" limit of consumption is currently a bit under one seven-billionth of what we can sustain without further reducing the natural world.
Yeah, but that merely opens up a whole other can of worms, like what is the definition of "not reducing the natural world", and who gets to decide what that definition will be?

I appreciate your best attempt at answering the question of what to do though.

A world in which excess is not created means no more exploration and innovation. Perhaps that's acceptable from an existence standpoint, but our nature isn't to merely exist, but to find meaning. Meaning is often found in exploration and innovation. Eliminate the possibility of excesses, and you've eliminated meaning for many people.
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator

Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote