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Originally Posted by redpoint5

That's the point I've been making about trying to moralize the issue. Unless someone maintains that zero environmental impact is the only acceptable moral standard, and then immediately kills themselves, every other standard is arbitrary.

I'll point out that the environment for humans has never been better as a result of all of us modifying it. My evidence is that there have never been more people, in better health, living the longest, with the most per capita wealth, than at any other time in history.

Mother Nature is no Garden of Eden. Just wander around out in it with no technology for a few days and see how you do. She's more of a Motha than a mother. We've leveraged our creativity to create environments more hospitable to well-being. Unfortunately, in the process it seems we've neglected mental well-being.

Those are extremely contextual appraisals.The long game could prove all of it completely wrong.