[California98Civic]

Originally Posted by aardvarcus

Julian,
I don't know how much surface pressure or lift/downforce data if any Phil collected when he took his T100 to the Darko wind tunnel for testing in 2014 and 2017. But I doubt he dismisses all measurement data seeing as how he spends time and money on money on wind tunnel testing.

I know from experience all measurements require a grain of salt, and there are things i have seen in print i remain doubtful of based on my past experiences. Thus it doesnt suprise me that the two of you are lending varying levels of credence to different sources based on your past experiences. Thus you dont agree.

I don't actually know either of you, but realize my motivations in this conversation are selfish, in that i enjoy seeing both of your content, and I personally wouldnt want either of you to not post. Both of you have far more experience than I do.

I personally feel that if we were all sitting in a living room and not on the semi anonymous internet removed from broader context we would get along better.

THIS!

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

With all the variables involved there isn't actually a perfect. Strive for it all you want, You can either come up with the ideal perfect, which ignores all vehicles already produced, or a very specific perfect for one particular vehicle. On the other hand, you can use a rule of thumb that tends to work in more circumstances than not and on more platforms than not.

The rule may be outdated and fall short of modern ideals, and actually fail on many vehicles in many circumstances, but then so do the cars we drive. If it helps more than it hurts, it's a good thing no matter how many instances you can point to where it falls short of ideal.

AND THIS!