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Originally Posted by California98Civic
The Fit has grown larger but now only matches the 1990 Civic Wagon better as a result.
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I still maintain it matches the Accord of the day better. A tad smaller than the Accord and a tad larger than the Civic, but the 2013 Fit had 20# per Hp compared to the older Civic's 25# per Hp and the older Accord's 22# per Hp. Driving-wise, my 2nd gen Fit outclasses my old Accords and smokes the old Civic while being comparable in size and weight.
Using the 2013 Fit as a baseline...
Accord sedan compared to the 2nd gen Fit:
1989 WB 104% Length 111% Width 101% Height 89% Curb weight 113.8% HP 102% #/Hp 110%
2013 WB 111% Length 118% Width 109% Height 96% Curb weight 135.3% HP 161% #/Hp 85.6%
The Accord went from bigger, fatter and with a worse power/weight ratio to biggerer, fatterer and with gobs of extra horsepower to overcome the power/weight somewhat.
Civic hatch compared to the 2nd gen Fit:
1990 WB 98.9% Length 100.1% Width 99% Height 93.5% Curb weight 98.9% HP 78.6% #/Hp 79.4%
2013 WB 104% Length 104.8% Width 104% Height 104.3% Curb weight 110.5% HP 119.6% #/Hp 102.7%
It went from smaller, lighter and wimpier than the Fit to bigger, fatter and (An ass dyno probably can't tell even with an MT) more powerful per pound.
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Originally Posted by redpoint5
I keep saying over and over, the way you reduce the consumption of something is to tax it, not micromanage design.
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Yep. I hear there's an invisible hand somewhere that can sort that stuff out. Unfortunately, taxing is something only commies do.
Encouraging innovation is what we do here.
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Originally Posted by Xist
"Why didn't you pay $1,000 more for the Civic?"
"It would have cost $1,153.28 more with interest!"
"Yes, but our elbows are touching!"
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Don't touch my elbow, I'll miss a shift. Have you seen sports cars from the 50s? They were tiny! They don't compare with what we've got today.
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Originally Posted by JSH
The Honda Accord was classified as a subcompact car in 1985 and it is a large car today.
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Huh. Wikipedia's entry for the 85-89 Accord calls it a compact. I had always thought of it as a mid sized, even though my parents' 89 replaced an 85 Buick Big-Ass wagon and was parked in the driveway next to a 79 Sedan deVille. The last year of that generation, the 89, was the first import to be the best selling car in the US. It was also back when I read Car & Driver- every year of that platform was on their 10 Best list. But I never thought of it as a compact before.