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Old 05-03-2021, 07:01 PM   #92 (permalink)
Isaac Zachary
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Or instead of an Aptera with a retracting tail people can just buy a normal vehicle that gets 100 MPGe. Most people will be VERY happy with "only" 100 MPGe.
Change "most people" with "about 7% of people by 2030". That's what's predicted for the USA anyhow. I'm not sure worldwide.

Of course that can be taken either way. If 20% of the population buys and drives pickups and they are happy with them, why good for them. Why should a person like me say he wants to buy a pickup and then fuss over every little thing about pickups, like I'm doing with EV's.

On the other hand, the fact that whatever percent of people drive EV's now in no way means that in 10, 20 or 50 years from now everyone will be driving EV's without some sort of incentive to do so.

All I know is I like EV technology, but EV technology doesn't work for me right now and probably won't any time soon. And it doesn't seem to work for a lot of other people either, whether they like the tech or not.

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VW went aggressively normal with the ID.4. It looks like a normal crossover, it is priced like a typical crossover (after incentives), and goes 250 miles on a charge. We will see how well it sells.

If you want people to buy EVs you should be happy automakers are finally focusing on popular market segments. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

If you like wagons the Kia EV6 looks promising. It is 60 or 61 inches tall depending on trim. For reference my Sportwagen is 59.2 inches tall and a Prius V was 62 inches tall.

True. Interesting info on the Kia EV6.

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Following the popular market segments is playing it safe. On the other hand others have been able to take new technologies and ideas and throw them in brand new segments at the same time.

As if throwing the engine in the rear and air cooling it wasn't enough. VW sold the "think small" car fairly well in the USA and elsewhere where such small vehicles weren't common.

Dodge could have applied new unibody designs and FWD to the oh-so-popular station wagon of the time, but instead decided to fight it headon with the minivan, which did become popular and beat the wagon for a time.

Which is why I admire EV makers that try to be different. I like the Nissan Gen1 Leaf headlights and tree-growing dash indicators. I like the Cyber Truck design. I like the Aptera concept. But CUV EV's just don't interest me at all.
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