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Old 09-22-2021, 03:45 AM   #258 (permalink)
Isaac Zachary
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The car industry has been based on the ICE for since, well, forever pretty much. With ICEV's the aero and rolling resistance aren't that important unless you're talking commercial vehicles, which also have other very important goal to meet besides efficiency of just one vehicle. Besides, with the ICE, the biggest fish to catch have been with engine efficiency. Going from 5% to 10% to 20% to 40% efficiencies have doubled, quadruped and octupled the fuel efficiency, with plenty of room still left to try to get even better efficiencies.

EV's are a completely different animal. True, the car industry is starting out with what they know works already in the ICEV world; sedans, hatchbacks, and most importantly SUV's and pickups, which is a smart move but doesn't necessarily mean that the future of the EV is what works and is popular today. If EV's started becoming a thing in the 80's people probably would have envisioned a future of EV minivans. In the 70's a future of EV station wagons. Or in the 50's a future of long square sedans. It's not like you can just change out carbureted electricity for injected electricity and get better mileage.

I also don't believe that making an ultra efficient vehicles has to render them cramped and impractical. I don't see the Aptera as being less practical than a Miata. Maybe a folding or extending tail would keep the body short and parkable while maintaining high efficiencies on the road for a bigger version of the Aptera.

But anyways, I think there are a lot of unknowns. Maybe you're right and in 30 to 40 years from now everyone will be perfectly happy driving around their SUEV's (sport utility electric vehicle) and will have their own set of 10 to 20kW charging cords on the front of their apartments, houses, in the streets and in their garages of course for all their vehicles and nothing else will have changed.

On the other hand, look at how other things have changed and have changed us. It wasn't that many years ago that smartphones didn't exist, or cell phones for that matter. And look at how we've changed our perception and acceptance of them. If your smartphone today looked and worked like a 1960's rotary phone, would you carry one around in your pocket? Today we look back at carbureted cars as old outdated technology, including their body design. Just because rounded, bumperless crossovers have become the latest and greatest doesn't mean that in 20, 30 or 50 years from now they still will be the latest and greatest.

A lot of people still aren't convinced that an EV is going to be their next vehicle. What will make them change over? Making EV's more expensive than ICEV's for a longer foreseeable future, making you have to pay perhaps as much as a few thousand dollars so you can charge it and then still have a limited range and long charging times all for what? For not having to do oil changes even though you'll still have to take your car in to get the tires rotated?
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