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Originally Posted by JSH
That really depends on the riding you are going to do.
The Navi's top speed is 50 mph which means you are really limited to roads that are 45 mph or less if you want to be able to maintain the speed limit on a slight hill. The Trail 125 in only good for another 5 mph. The TW200 tops out at 70 mph so that means a real speed in the 60 - 65 mph range.
Then there is suspension and wheel size. The Navi has a 10 inch wheel and 2.8 inches of suspension travel. Any use offroad is going to be ROUGH. Even bumpy paved roads are going to be punishing. My MP3 has 12 inch wheels in the front and you feel every bump and pothole.
Strictly urban riding on road with 45 mph limits and less? The Navi could be a lot of fun. For me my primary riding route to work is 55 mph and uphill so both the Navi and Trail 125 are a no-go for me.
Personally I think the KTM Duke 200 is the best deal in motorcycling at the moment.
If I was looking for a small dual-sport it would be a CRF300L or VanVan 200.
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I appreciate your input. I wouldn't buy a KTM, or any BRP, or Harley, or pretty much whatever besides Honda or Yamaha, maybe Suzuki. That goes motorcycle, UTV, atv, watercraft, outboard, etc. I've experienced how good Honda and Yamaha have been and how bad some of the others and I'm not alone.
The KTM is also not the kind of bike I'm interested in at all. The Suzuki 200 is nice but not significantly less than a TW200 which is just better IMO. The crf300 is even more and higher and heavier and just seems like more work than leisure. I don't want thrilling jumps or high speed blasts, just quite putt, putt down a forest service road.
So I am concerned at how a Navi would handle gravel, potholes, and washboard, but would be at speeds under 25 mph. I know the Trail is fine, at least my 1963 version with just a 55cc is, but I'd think the Navi would be at least that good, the new trail 125 outstanding for what I want. The other use (besides just local forest service roads) would be putting it on the tounge of the teardrop and riding it around places like Yellowstone park or Glacier when traveling.
Occasionally I might commute to work but I have a good Ebike for that and the bike path is actually a shorter distance than the road anyway which is hardly 3 miles. The basic Grom is probably a safe bet too with a few modifications, but again the Navi just seems relaxing not to mention that price. I could get 2 for almost the same price. Maybe my 16yo daughter would show some interest in riding. I've always also considered a Ruckus but that seems a little overpriced for what it is, I'm surprised the Navi isn't at least that much and I'm afraid it will be in a few years if it's any good at all.