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Originally Posted by Logic
https://www.tribonet.org/wiki/pin-on-disk-test/
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No I don't.
Who finances said Society?
Is it likely to be car manufactures that profit from the sale of engines, gearboxes, drivetrains etc?
All the tings you'd want to wear out so you can sell more?
While the research and the how it works is available for all to research; what holds you back from doing so?
I don't see one reference to scientific research on this subject from you.
Not one in all your posts here, while I have many.
Why??
Why not back up your arguments with SCIENCE if you "don't argue opinions"???
That would beat contradicting yourself! 
Perhaps the the other personal experiences I have been trying to avoid in favour of the science actually hold more weight to you?
Here are 29 pages of positive forum posts by people... shall we say; more open minded than those on this forum who have added Boric Oxide to their engines:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...ngine-oil.html
Your Boric Oxide - Boric Acid question:
Boric Oxide is a very hygroscopic substance.
See "Stability" here:
https://www.borax.com/BoraxCorp/medi...e.pdf?ext=.pdf
So when Boric Oxide is exposed to the atmosphere a lot of it turns into Boric Acid.
B2O3 + 3H2O → 2H3BO3
Because of this the 2 terms are often used interchangeably throughout the literature on Boric Oxide/Acid.
But as I researched this, I know its the Acid.
You will note that in the Team BHP forums everyone was adding Boric Oxide powder, without water, to engines etc.
They saw results after a long time, not within 10 KM as I did with (hot: more suluble) water also added.
The reason for this is simple:
I did the research and therefor knew that it was in fact the Acid and not the Oxide that is the lubricant, while they were lucky that there is in fact the argued water in engine oil for the oxide to react with to form the desired acid/lubricant.
It seems the issue here is that you put no weight in my research ability.
That's perfectly understandable given that you don't know me and only 1 in 20 people have an IQ of over 120 and less than that do any research.
But that will change. Slowly. Grudgingly.
But, if you read my links, it will change.
That there is the only reason I bother to take the time to argue/debate with you.
(NB that I am aware of the tactic of goading people into saying something bannable on forums as a means of getting rid of them for whatever personal reasons.
That's no way win a debate... )
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1) The 'pin-on-a-disk' method is not an analogue for an automobile engine's pressurized lubrication system. It's a logic fail.
2) For 'finetuning', and everyone else at 'TEAM-BHP-COM' this fact appears to be an unknown - unknown, with potentially-disastrous consequences.
3) A look at SAE International's website would be far more efficient for you, rather than having me 'tell' you what you can learn on your own.
4) I refuse to speculate on what motivates SAE members and contributors, or why you would pre-judge, and presume some nefarious conspiracy, based totally on ignorance of your own making. Certainly, your multinational corporation produces nothing but high-value products, immune to the need for replacement parts or service.
5) I didn't recognize any 'research', with respect to boric acid. No adherence to established test methodologies or practices. No instrumentation. No conditions. No real data, only anecdotal comments. Nobody actually understands how an automotive lubrication system operates.
6) The claim of up to 80% friction reduction is a fantasy.
7) Same for a 15% mpg improvement.
8) Tell me how engine noise was quantified.
9A) Tell me how a 5% temperature reduction was quantified.
9B) 5% more ''smoother.' ( SMOOTH-O-METER ? )
10) A 10% power increase is impossible.
11) How could this 'research' be duplicated by anyone else?
12) You've mis-quoted and mis-characterized the contents of the original reporting.
13) You're advocating that 'water' be poured into the crankcase of an automotive engine.
14) Boric 'Acid' and Boric 'Oxide' are used interchangeably.
15) Over 1,600-km of driving, 'nothing' will change in the outside environment, that might influence performance observations.
16) Mark Weatherill's failure to see any benefit to differential, or wheel bearing grease means 'nothing'?
17) 'Nothing' happened in your 10-km observation, that can't be explained by your improper test methodology, but you'd never know it since it never entered your mind that ' J1082-' Fuel Economy Measurements - Road Test Procedure,' SAE Recommended Practice, SAE Handbook, published annually, might exist in the real world.
18) ' finetuning's reporting gives powdered boric acid added directly to the motor oil, which is 'plated out' on the engine's surfaces, which can be 'washed off' with water. The 'oxide' has 85% the hardness of diamond. It's responsible for the friction reduction ( impossible ).
19) He never reported 'fuel economy.' Something of interest here at EcoModder.com.
20) As his mileage accrues over time, he witnesses improved performance ( which could be explained by dozens of phenomena, none requiring the invocation of 'Boron' as the sole attribution.
21) Have you tested your water/ Boric acid solution for compatibility with:
-Alkylated styrene polymers
-Alkalines
-Alkylpolyamides
-Antimony
-Barium
-Bismuth
-Boron-nitrogen compounds
-Butylene polymers
-Cadmium
-Calcium
-Chlorine
-Chrome
-Copolymers
-Germanium
-Indium
-Lead
-Magnesium
-Methacrylate polymers
-Molybdenum disulfide
-Organic Sulfur
-Parafin
-'Paraflow'
-Phosphides
-Phosphorous
-Polyphaolefin ( PAO ) 2.5 synthetic, Group-IV, base oils
-Polymerized olefins
-Polymerized isoolefins
-Polymethacrylate polymers
-Silver
-Sulfides
-Sulfur
-Thallium
-Tin
-Zinc dialkylphoshorodithioate
-Zinc dialkyldithophosphate
-Zinc dithiophosphate
-Antioxidant & Anticorrosives
-Anti-Wear agents
-Detergent-Dispersant packages
-Extreme-Pressure additives
-Foam Inhibitors
-Friction Modifiers
-Oiliness Film Strength agents
-Pour point depressant packages
-Stable Colloid additives
-Viscosity-index improvers
22) Do you know that arbitrarily altering the surface finish ( By chemical plating ) of OEM-specified components can absolutely destroy their capacity to maintain an oil film lubricated surface?
23) Mumbai, Mahasashta, India has four world-class engineering colleges. Perhaps 'finetuning' may stumble onto one of their campus libraries, where he/she can get a look at real automotive technology.