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Originally Posted by Logic
Ok... let me get this straight;
You want to make a 50-50 mix of oil and Boric Oxide dissolved in boiling water to form Boric Acid and measure its viscosity?
I assume your chosen number of 50% is taken from the initial patent here:
"... In general, the preferred range for oils is about 0.5 to 50% by weight and for greases is about 1-50% by weight with the most preferred range being 1-15% for oils and 1-20% for greases...'
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5431830A/en
Everyone knows that patents are 'painted with a broad brush' to cover any and all eventualities.
Yet you have chosen a mixture ratio that is NOT in the "most preferred range".
Is that correct???
If so: Don't bother:
The viscosity will be very similar to a 50-50 mix of oil and water.
At a guess, based on plain old common sense and experience; way too low for properly lubricating an engine.
Which, it is obvious, you have already surmised. As has anyone, with a bit of common sense, reading this.
ie: IF I understand your intent correctly:
The whole experiment is premeditated to fail.
That is perfectly obvious to everyone aerohead.
ie:
An experiment concocted to basically test the viscosity of a 50-50 mix of the equivalent of water and oil is not a dastardly clever plan. (to fool everyone reading this)
It's a patently stupid idea to everyone!
How will that make you look!?
The goal of adding Boric Acid to an engine oil is to expose the bearing surfaces, pistons and sleeves, cams, etc to the Boric Acid for long enough for the desired layer/s to form.
At this point it is desirable for any/most excess water to have boiled/evaporated away, leaving said coating.
"...my initial test of a heaped tablespoon of Boric Acid, stirred into a coffee mug of boiling water...
...I poured it into the pre warmed engine and took off immediately.
I took it very easy as I knew the emulsion was doing nothing for oil thickness..."
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post695252 ie: A cup full of over saturated Boric Acid in an Engine FULL to the top line on the dipstick of oil.
Nowhere have I recommended a 50-50 mix of oil and water.
You know that right? You did read all that you replied to with the intent to understand rather than simply reply right..!??
Because I, like everyone who has read all this, knows that.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are beginning to wonder..! |
1) No. Please re-read line #6 at #92 (permalink )
2) No need to 'assume'. It's explained.
3) I'm one of 'everyone', and what you say does not properly characterize how I experience patents, so, you'll need to come up with a different term, like, 'everyone except aerohead.'
4) I chose the exact mixture as tested by Dr. Erdemir, that was the point.
5) No 'water'. It's not germane to Dr Erdemir's research. Any 3rd party laboratory test results you have for your mixture would be for something else.
6) That's why I'll do the test.
7) 'Guessing' and 'good old common sense' aren't part of the scientific method, so I'll go ahead as planned.
8) As to an unacceptable viscosity for a motor oil being obvious to anyone; you're included in the set, 'anyone', and until I mentioned 'viscosity', to my knowledge, you had never used the term, which is counterfactual to your premise.
9) The premise of the experiment is to 'quantify' the viscosity of 'mineral oil ', then 'quantify' the viscosity of the mineral/boric acid colloidal solution. At that point, I will have satisfied the preliminary 'conditions' for Dr. Erdemir's testing.
10) The quanta will also inform me about 'finetuning''s claims about his 'oil / boric acid 'testing' (sic ).
11) Your computer-courage has allowed you to stray beyond civil discourse, and you've already veered into ad hominem territory. If you want to be banned, your doing a pretty good job.
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12) The OEM 'surface finishes', and bearing clearances inside commercial, mass-produced passenger cars are 'engineered.'
13) Your mind's inability to move out of a ' boundary lubrication region' paradigm, and into that of 'mixed-film and full hydrodynamic lubrication' is creating a complete intellectual road block to the discussion.
14) And if you'll re-read Dr. Erdemir's list of 'most notable contributions,' you'll notice that any mention of 'automotive tribology' didn't make the cut.
Dr. Erdemir's 'patent', was assigned to Arch Development Corporation. They were working to 'monetize' the oil / boric acid technology. So far, I haven't seen any indication for commercially-available products, and their producers, using, and paying royalties to Arch for the tech..