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Old 03-12-2025, 06:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
You want weight on the drive wheels? This is a single pivot hitch but something similar could be fabricobbled together.
For some reason, that link shows up as "https://www.rvlifemag.xn--com%20%20understanding-the-equalizing-hitch-yz50a/"

The %20 automatically converts to a space.
Do spaces work in URLs?!
What is with the xn--?!

https://www.rvlifemag.com/understand...alizing-hitch/
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I guess you forgot the 1st generation of the Honda Odyssey, which had a much conservative minivan profile, yet it had conventional-hinged doors.
The 1966 and 67 Type 2 Microbus were available with normal or sliding doors, although sliding doors became standard in 1968.

I don't remember minivans with two sliding doors until around 2000.

I remember another ad from around that time where a delivery driver parked on a hill, his van door kept sliding down when he was trying to get the product, and then a kid got out of some other minivan with conventional doors, he asked the driver why his doors did that, and the driver just gave a frustrated shrug.

After our conversation yesterday, I tried to find a definition of minivan versus SUV and just found pages asking "Should you spend $50,000 on a minivan or an SUV," like this one, and annoyingly, I can't figure out how to view it on one page:
  1. Price: The cheapest three-row SUV is the Volkswagen Tiguan, which costs a couple hundred dollars less than the cheapest minivan, the Chrysler Voyager, which starts at a little over $27,000, but the Tiguan is much smaller.
  2. Minivans have better safety ratings
  3. Minivans are bigger and specifically designed to be comfortable, generally with a convenient sliding door.
  4. They have comparable technology (which may fail).
  5. Only a Suburban, which starts at $63,495, is comparable to the size of a larger minivan.
  6. They consider minivans to have better performance and handling and criticize the truck-like handling of SUVs, although I have enjoyed driving the Rams I have rented.
  7. SUVs with their greater ride height are better off-road. I would also think that the truck frame would help.
  8. They claim that they tie for MPG, but the top large minivan on this list is the Odyssey, and since the only SUV with comparable space to a larger minivan is the Suburban, I compared them, and it is absurd: https://carbuzz.com/cars/largest-minivans
  9. Somehow, the Suburban with its 5.3- or 6.2L engine, pickup frame, and accompanying terrible MPG tows better than the Odyssey with a 3.5L engine and car frame. Shocking!
  10. J.D. Power rates SUVs more reliable than minivans, but "the minivan category is dominated by Chrysler, where the Pacifica scores just 63 out of 100 for predicted reliability. Still, the Honda Odyssey and Toyota Sienna score well for minivans, at 77 and 74, respectively."
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/suvs-vs-minivans



It seems like SUVs are taller with pickup frames.
It seems like they are assumed to have sliding doors, but there are definitely exceptions.
Also, it sounds like SUVs generally have larger and more expensive tires, and "full-size three-row SUVs sometimes require larger or specialty (all-terrain/off-road) tires that cost more and wear more quickly."
Not all minivans have sliding doors, but all vehicles with sliding doors are minivans?
https://www.theautopian.com/hold-up-...oors-a-minivan
This new Century is called an SUV and is built on the same basic platform as the Highlander, Camry, and Toyota Sienna minivan.
I am currently discussing the word "Versatile" with my clients.
It applies to this Toyota platform, but I am going to stick with Swiss Army knives and Gerbers.

I couldn't find a list of minivans with conventional doors, just the previous article, and: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...riant-66da4b22
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Last edited by Xist; 03-13-2025 at 12:22 AM.. Reason: I thought the Element had sliding doors, but they are doubles.
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