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theunchosen · 12-03-2008, 10:31 PM

. . .because I would rather have a 300 HP engine if I am going to shell out 20K.

You pay lots of money for neat gadgets. Not for economical ones. It's a self-defeating purpose. a 23,000 USD BASE normal car with slightly better fuel economy.

I buy used period. If I want fuel economy I go get an 88 CRX for like 1200 at the scrapyard and bring it to driveability with another grand. Then I get the CRX designed for maximum fuel economy and I get to change whatever I want to increase that if at all possible. There is really no point to pay 10x that for less gas mileage if your argument is economics.

I know your answer. It's not just about economics you want a decent interior and other creature comforts that modern cars offer over the 88 CRX. I have no problems with that. But Just as you sacrifice some MPG for a newer car. . .I sacrifice lots of MPG for a "super-car" that costs less than your econo car.

It's really a weak argument. People like their beamers over the prius because they like large powerful sohpisticated engines, people like the prius over others because they like its efficiency and I like the NSX. . .well if you have to ask I can't tell you.

It's really impossible to argue any car is better than another unless of course you are comparing to identical cars in every way except one has an engine thats more powerful and more economical or more economical and as powerful or more powerful and as economical. Only when everything else is held the same can you compare two items.

Some people here favor 0-60 times opposed to MPG(not that they don't like MPG just 0-60 is more important), while others its the reverse.

It's purely preference. If toyota made a Prius shell that did not have any of the hybrid traits and had a more powerful less efficient engine you couldn't really make an argument that one is better.

You can always make the argument one is more economical, faster(acceleration or top speed), better handling, or any specific element because those ignore all the other factors and rely simply on data with no margin for subjective decisions.

12-03-2008, 10:31 PM	#23 (permalink)
theunchosen Master EcoModder Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cookeville, TN Posts: 850 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	. . .because I would rather have a 300 HP engine if I am going to shell out 20K. You pay lots of money for neat gadgets. Not for economical ones. It's a self-defeating purpose. a 23,000 USD BASE normal car with slightly better fuel economy. I buy used period. If I want fuel economy I go get an 88 CRX for like 1200 at the scrapyard and bring it to driveability with another grand. Then I get the CRX designed for maximum fuel economy and I get to change whatever I want to increase that if at all possible. There is really no point to pay 10x that for less gas mileage if your argument is economics. I know your answer. It's not just about economics you want a decent interior and other creature comforts that modern cars offer over the 88 CRX. I have no problems with that. But Just as you sacrifice some MPG for a newer car. . .I sacrifice lots of MPG for a "super-car" that costs less than your econo car. It's really a weak argument. People like their beamers over the prius because they like large powerful sohpisticated engines, people like the prius over others because they like its efficiency and I like the NSX. . .well if you have to ask I can't tell you. It's really impossible to argue any car is better than another unless of course you are comparing to identical cars in every way except one has an engine thats more powerful and more economical or more economical and as powerful or more powerful and as economical. Only when everything else is held the same can you compare two items. Some people here favor 0-60 times opposed to MPG(not that they don't like MPG just 0-60 is more important), while others its the reverse. It's purely preference. If toyota made a Prius shell that did not have any of the hybrid traits and had a more powerful less efficient engine you couldn't really make an argument that one is better. You can always make the argument one is more economical, faster(acceleration or top speed), better handling, or any specific element because those ignore all the other factors and rely simply on data with no margin for subjective decisions.