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Old 02-04-2008, 08:02 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd seen this article before. It contains some good info & and a lot of really misleading & confused info.

Comments...
  • I'd forgotten that they actually quantified the vehicle weight when talking about the "carrying additional weight penalty". Even the oft quoted EPA stat doesn't put it in context
    Quote:
    "Add 100 lb. to a 3000-lb. package, and this 3-percent increase in load invokes at most a 1.5-percent penalty at the fuel pump."
  • On the subject of WOT/short shifting, they are somewhat misleading.
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    • First off, full WOT will retard ignition timing and enrich the fuel mixture - there goes your efficiency gain from reduced throttle losses!
    • Second, if you use this accel technique, you must not brake after accelerating. The penalty of converting kinetic energy into heat & brake dust after a vigorous near-WOT/short shifting acceleration is massive compared to doing the same after a theoretically inefficient feather-footed acceleration.
    • Third, if your target speed is high and you'll be cruising at it for some time, it is not as efficient to near-WOT/short shift to get there. Try it, with instrumentation, and see.
    • Near WOT/short shifting to reach some target speed works best when it's done during P&G, or if EOC follows.
  • It suggests shutting off the engine isn't worth it "Unless the stop is prolonged (a railway crossing, for instance)". Perhaps true in a large, old, cold, out of tune engine that doesn't start up easily, but we know it saves fuel in a small, warm, fuel injected engine that restarts well - even if the stop is very short.
  • The article confuses coasting in gear for fuel-cut with coasting in neutral, no fuel cut.
  • And it is flat out WRONG in this statement:
    Quote:
    "Plus, of course, hybrids should never be coasted. Out of gear, they're giving away all of their coast-down regen."
    Coasting to a stop is hugely more efficient than using any form of braking, including regen in a hybrid.
There are some nuggets in there, but generally, I'd say: reader beware!
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