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Old 05-23-2012, 02:55 PM   #31 (permalink)
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No progress to speak of lately with this project. Still stuck on mounting up the frame / motor mounts. Getting prepared for this years vacation. Sucks that I'll have to take the Aztek, but the Caprice diesel isn't done so the Aztek it is. But, at least I'm packing smart. Nothing on the roof rack and no additional aerodynamic drag items to be stowed. Everything in the back. Guess it's not all bad, the Aztek does have the Aztent....lol
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:59 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Hi This is several months old but i'm posting to mention my interest in the project because I plan something darn near identical and wanted to comment on and ask questions of someone doing nearly the same. Advice might even be too late in part but could be useful to others in the future.

24mpg is easily obtainable bone stock - I have a 1991 TBI 305 caprice sedan that got 22-23mpg and I drove it 77-82mph everywhere for tens of thousands of miles of travel. (pre ecomodder when I was rushing everywhere) Possible a wagon is like a natural boattail/more efficient. Driven more like 65 I could see 24. The LT1 was known for even better mileage (and power at the same time) just for reference.

30mpg should be quite possible. For example looking at 1987 pickups the 6.2 diesel showed 17/21mpg vs the 12/17 of the 5.0 with the 4spd auto - 23% better on highway. (even more in city, 41%) 24 plus 23.5% better is 30. Around town expect 21mpg - I always got 15mpg and I drove light around town.

Rear axle should have zero problem with power - the stock 305 tbi was 170hp 255lb/ft, the typical 6.2 GM's (non hummer) were 130-143hp and 240-257lb/ft. The army version was 165hp and 330lb/ft. Max RPM is 3600rpm and the transmission may shift late without being set up for diesel shifting though. Torque converter may stall higher but still work, it locks up on the highway at least in OD, and possibly in D.

Big Dave - do you have the name of the person who put one in a Fleetwood?

To his recommendation to go to a stick - the older 700 R4's werent very durable. The newer 4L60's (new name for it, with upgrades) and all properly rebuilt 700R4's are supposed to be vastly improved. They last 500k miles in taxi service often after a life of police service. I see no reason the transmission should scatter turning slow - it runs the same speeds with the 305, he hasn't changed any ratios anywhere. I know of no reason the power profile of the 6.2 should kill newer transmissions, only older ones like 82-86 in particular. A T56 is great but probably costs $2000 by itself before the install kit. A rebuilt 4L60 or TH700 should work a junkyard TH700 from 82-86 is the least recommended - they suck. It's not even cooling issues, they just have weak brittle parts. Shift kits and things that make them shift harder could be even harder on it. 87 up chevy fixed the worst issues, incremental improvements afterwards. The 4L60 already in the Caprice is probably marginally stronger otherwise than pre-90 trannies - and should bolt up if the 6.2 has standard small block bellhousing which I think it does, except possibly for shifting at too high of rpm. But it may be the 700 bases all shifting off the TV cable and adjustments there could be done.


If you had to try and swap the engine/trans in a second time would there be things you could do to ease the job? Like where did it hang up besides ABS, power steering, and oil pan? What might make the job easier? I'm mildly confused at the engine mounts, I thought the small block chevy mounts were the same as the diesel ones basically...

Not sure how the trans pack will increase life - if it shifts harder (which most similar things are for) it can shorten life by being harder on it. The 6.2 diesel isnt too much heavier than a small block, 200lbs maybe, among the lightest diesels made, but still heavier than a big block by another 100lbs or so.

Hope to hear how this turns out later.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:56 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Hope you're still working on this, would be an awesome road trip vehicle! This thread inspired me to start looking for wagons, and i almost picked one up but then decided to get a 1990 6.2 Suburban. I've been getting around 18 mpg on the highway with it, hoping to bump that up. Anyway, there is an awesome video of a 6.2 powered camaro on youtube, look it up! The guy is claiming 40 mpg highway. I can only imagine how awesome this engine would be in a wagon.
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:58 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Been awhile....
So, plans changed. Sold off the majority of my vehicles. Down to 5 now. Been buying and selling a lot here lately too. Have 3 Pontiac Azteks my daily diesel Pinto and the Supra race car. Never did finish the station wagon project. Got it all ready to be put back together then cancelled all projects. Started paying off my mortgage with every extra dollar I could muster. Sold the diesel caprice project and applied it towards mortgage. Started all this on 9/20/12. Paid off my credit card. Down to just $6000 left to pay off the house. Just filed taxes and that refund puts me at $0 debt.
Why? This summer I'm moving to Crescent City, California from Indiana.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:52 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Sounds good. Nice to "clear out the attic", so to speak.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
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That was a nice project. If I would ever privately import a Caprice I'd consider to adapt a Diesel engine, but probably I'd get one of those 4-bangers in the 3-litre range easily available in Latin America and overseas markets.
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I'm sad that I didn't get to finish the project. But making this dream of living by the beach, next to the redwoods is about to become a reality (ZERO DEBT!). I had 9 cars when I had that Caprice. 9! It was going to need at least another $1000 + lots of hours cranking wrenches. Can this project be done? Absolutely. Plenty of engine space to fit a diesel. Think this thread has outlined most of the hurdles anyone would run into. First, the stock engine frame mounts / motor mounts may need moved. The power steering bracket on this 6.2 hit the ABS brake lines. I was going to ol' school it and do away with the ABS, reroute the brake lines. Electric fans would be needed. Possibly beefier front springs. It's not to hard a project. Just decided to cash out on my cars. Fewer cars, fewer repairs, fewer expenses.
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Electric fans would be needed.
Electric fans are a good option for every application, since they allow a more precise thermal management of the engine and don't take too much power to run

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