Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-15-2011, 06:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
Gen II Prianista
 
Rokeby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ballamer, Merlin
Posts: 453
Thanks: 201
Thanked 146 Times in 89 Posts
As to how the prototype chassis was to be skinned, apparently just like most
of the aircraft of the time, 1923. Extracted from the link in the OP:

"Intended to be skinned with fabric, the single prototype (with its
visible workings) was offered to car manufacturers but ultimately refused
due to R&D cost."


FWIW, from Wiki:

Monocoque is a construction technique that supports structural load by
using an object's external skin, as opposed to using an internal frame or truss
that is then covered with a non-load-bearing skin or coachwork. The term is
also used to indicate a form of vehicle construction in which the body and
chassis form a single unit. The word monocoque comes from the Greek for
single (mono) and French for shell (coque). The technique may also be called
structural skin, stressed skin, unit body, unibody, unitary construction, or
Body Frame Integral. Pure monocoques lack internal longitudinal stiffening
but are heavier as a result.[citation needed] A semi-monocoque differs in
having longerons and stringers.[2] Structures built up from hollow tube
frames, such as bicycles are not usually monococques as the primary
stresses are not applied to the surface of the tube, but rather to the ends.

Monocoque construction was pioneered in boats, such as with the Viking
Longship and the Amerindian Canoe where it offered the low structural weight
neccessary in vessels that were frequently expected to be beached or carried
or portaged overland.

Modern use of moncocoque structures in other applications began in aviation
where pioneers used their experience in boatbuilding to provide the
necessary structures. Early designs appeared in 1912 such as the
Deperdussin Monocoque, and had found widespread use by the late 1930s
when it was applied to metal structures such as on the Douglas DC-3.
Automobiles used monocoque designs as early as 1923 but widespread
adoption did not begin until the second half of the 20th century.

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rokeby For This Useful Post:
Sven7 (11-15-2011)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 11-15-2011, 10:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Sven7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Warren, MI
Posts: 2,456

Boo Radley - '65 Ford F100
90 day: 13.28 mpg (US)
Thanks: 782
Thanked 668 Times in 410 Posts
^^ Thanks, I didn't know the difference between the internal/external terminology etc. So technically it's a spaceframe.
__________________
He gave me a dollar. A blood-soaked dollar.
I cannot get the spot out but it's okay; It still works in the store
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2011, 10:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
CFECO
 
CFECO's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Vail, AZ.
Posts: 552

X-Car - '11 Homemade 2+2

Velbly1 - '17 Toyota Camery XSE
90 day: 29 mpg (US)

Velbly2 - '13 Toyota Tundra
90 day: 18.03 mpg (US)
Thanks: 174
Thanked 60 Times in 56 Posts
Without triangulation, it probably needed a metal skin to have shear strength, otherwise the parallelogram structure could collapse under load.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CFECO For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-23-2013)
Old 11-15-2011, 10:43 PM   #14 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
There is plenty of beef there to support a fabric or non-load bearing shell.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 03:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
EcoModding spendthrift
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 116

WindedWarrior - '12 Ford Focus SE
90 day: 33.46 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sven7 View Post
... It seems one of Gabriel Voisin's apprentices built this advanced prototype in hopes of securing a contract with an automaker. It was not to be.

Infinitely variable auto transmission
Four shoe hydraulic front brakes
Easily removed engine, etc. Reportedly takes only 10 minutes.
Aluminum alloy (duralumin) monocoque chassis.

Intended to be skinned with fabric, the single prototype (with its visible workings) was offered to car manufacturers but ultimately refused due to R&D cost.

Now thanks to Mr. Winstone and Les Amis de Gabriel Voisin, I share with you this revolutionary vehicle. Enjoy!


Gérin prototype, 1923 by Sir Tyler Linner the Loyal, of Grant-upon-Croix, on Flickr


Gérin prototype, 1923 by Sir Tyler Linner the Loyal, of Grant-upon-Croix, on Flickr


Gérin prototype, 1923 by Sir Tyler Linner the Loyal, of Grant-upon-Croix, on Flickr


Gérin prototype, 1923 by Sir Tyler Linner the Loyal, of Grant-upon-Croix, on Flickr

Thanks for sharing! This is interesting indeed!
__________________
=================================================



"May the wind always be at your back and the sun always upon your face. May the wings of destiny carry you aloft to dance with the stars."
~ Boston George
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 05:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 15,895
Thanks: 23,972
Thanked 7,222 Times in 4,649 Posts
Voison

One of the designers brought in to work on the Tucker saw Voison's "Dolfin" car as a child.
Voison had brought the car to the USA in hopes of attracting carmakers.
Evidently no one bit.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 08:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Sven7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Warren, MI
Posts: 2,456

Boo Radley - '65 Ford F100
90 day: 13.28 mpg (US)
Thanks: 782
Thanked 668 Times in 410 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead View Post
One of the designers brought in to work on the Tucker saw Voisin's "Dolfin" car as a child.
Voisin had brought the car to the USA in hopes of attracting carmakers.
Evidently no one bit.
I can't find the Dolfin car in searches. Do you have any photos?
__________________
He gave me a dollar. A blood-soaked dollar.
I cannot get the spot out but it's okay; It still works in the store
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2011, 10:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 7,907

Mica Blue - '05 Scion xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.48 mpg (US)

Forest - '15 Nissan Leaf S
Team Nissan
90 day: 156.46 mpg (US)

Number 7 - '15 VW e-Golf SEL
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 155.81 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,475
Thanked 2,950 Times in 1,844 Posts
Is this possibly it?

Voisin C28 Aerosport

__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NeilBlanchard For This Useful Post:
Rokeby (11-17-2011)
Old 11-17-2011, 12:09 AM   #19 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Sven7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Warren, MI
Posts: 2,456

Boo Radley - '65 Ford F100
90 day: 13.28 mpg (US)
Thanks: 782
Thanked 668 Times in 410 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard View Post
Is this possibly it?

Voisin C28 Aerosport
Doubt it. That was one of their "production" models, if you can call it that. There were three or four produced.

Voisin C28 Aerosport info

Another source citing production numbers

The second link makes mention of a "car of the future" with a seven cylinder radial engine. Perhaps that is it?

Quote:
Towards the end of 1933, 'Noël-Noël' and Voisin parted ways, leaving the design of the bodies now solely in Voisin's hands. In the previous years, he had focused more on the technical and mechanical designs, which included the development of a variety of new engines including a V12 and seven cylinder radial engine. The latter was intended for "The Car of the Future Project", which would have a monocoque type chassis and independent suspension all-round. Unfortunately the dire condition of his company forced Voisin to concentrate on the present.
Avions Voisin is one of those companies that you would really need a super detailed book full of technical specs, photos, stories and personalities to really understand. If anyone knows of such a book I'm all ears!

BTW, for those new to it, you pronounce it "Ah-YOH Vwah-ZAH(n)" with nasal N's dropped much like the R in Louvre.
__________________
He gave me a dollar. A blood-soaked dollar.
I cannot get the spot out but it's okay; It still works in the store
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2011, 10:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 7,907

Mica Blue - '05 Scion xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.48 mpg (US)

Forest - '15 Nissan Leaf S
Team Nissan
90 day: 156.46 mpg (US)

Number 7 - '15 VW e-Golf SEL
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 155.81 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,475
Thanked 2,950 Times in 1,844 Posts
Maybe this car?

The Jalopy Journal » Blog Archive » 1923 Voisin C6

http://www.roadandtrack.com/auto-sho...ign.__photo_25

__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/

Last edited by NeilBlanchard; 11-17-2011 at 10:07 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NeilBlanchard For This Useful Post:
Rokeby (11-17-2011)
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com