Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-04-2015, 01:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Radium Springs, NM
Posts: 465

Ford XLT Naked - '14 Ford F-150 XLT
90 day: 15.04 mpg (US)

Ford G-4 with Stinger - '14 Ford F-150 4X4 Super Crew XLT
90 day: 19.8 mpg (US)

Ford Stealth G-4 - '14 Ford F-150 4X4 Super Crew XLT
90 day: 16.28 mpg (US)

XLT Towing Keystone 5th wheel trailer - '14 Ford Keystone 5th Wheel XLT
90 day: 9.03 mpg (US)

Trip 2015 C Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SWP
90 day: 38.2 mpg (US)

Local 120 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C-Max Energy SEL
90 day: 55.65 mpg (US)

Local 240 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SLE
90 day: 57.63 mpg (US)

Energi Combined - '15 C Max Energi Leather
90 day: 51.2 mpg (US)

MoonDust for Travel - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT
90 day: 123.11 mpg (US)

MoonDust 3 with 90% CE - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 127.57 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV - '19 Chevy Bolt Lt
90 day: 126.39 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV Trip Log - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 121.01 mpg (US)

Rate Rider Chevy Bolt - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT-2
90 day: 123.16 mpg (US)

Teal Force One 70% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
90 day: 98.52 mpg (US)

Teal Force Two 90% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
90 day: 118.11 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2
Thanked 528 Times in 278 Posts
Aero & rolling resistance, power & MPG calculator

Does anyone know anything about the MPG calculator in the Garage & Tools section? I have been playing with it and I am finding there are at least three variables that are hard to know or pin down. They are rolling resistance, engine efficiency, and parasitic load.

I have been making informed guesses and I can generate some pretty interesting numbers by doing so but as to are they are true or not I can not say.
I would invite more of you to try the calculator out and let me know what you think. I will give you an example of the values I tried on my truck to plug in so you can see for yourself. The results matched observed mpg numbers in many instances.

Ford F-150 XLT 4x4 with a EcoBoost Engine and a 6.5 ft bed.

Weight 6070
Rolling Resistance 0.014
Cd 0.34
Frontal Area 36 sq ft
Engine Efficiency 32%
Drive train .893
Parasitic load 500 watts
Air Density set to 77 F
Display Range 5 to 200 in 5 mph increments.

I produces a calculator set for the Phil Knox's truck but I do not have good specs for it so I won't share that for now. Let me know what you think and if you have better values for the three most questionable parameters i would like to hear of them.

__________________





Last edited by aerostealth; 05-05-2015 at 02:36 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 05-04-2015, 11:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Motor City
Posts: 281
Thanks: 0
Thanked 223 Times in 138 Posts
I have tried to dial in the calculator tool too. Like you, had to guess on some stuff.

But, one I didn't, was engine thermal efficiency. Happen to have a full speed load map for my engine. At my road load (near 100 HP) and RPM, it's 31%. I know your engine is totally different, and should be more efficient, but you're probably at a lighter load, so maybe it's close to a wash? In other words, I'd say your 32% guess is pretty close.

Where did you get .893 for your driveline efficiency? Seems like it's a pretty precise number? Or just one that made your data fit? Speaking of that, when I put your numbers in I get 17.08 MPG at 80MPH, is that right? That's your baseline, right?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2015, 12:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Radium Springs, NM
Posts: 465

Ford XLT Naked - '14 Ford F-150 XLT
90 day: 15.04 mpg (US)

Ford G-4 with Stinger - '14 Ford F-150 4X4 Super Crew XLT
90 day: 19.8 mpg (US)

Ford Stealth G-4 - '14 Ford F-150 4X4 Super Crew XLT
90 day: 16.28 mpg (US)

XLT Towing Keystone 5th wheel trailer - '14 Ford Keystone 5th Wheel XLT
90 day: 9.03 mpg (US)

Trip 2015 C Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SWP
90 day: 38.2 mpg (US)

Local 120 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C-Max Energy SEL
90 day: 55.65 mpg (US)

Local 240 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SLE
90 day: 57.63 mpg (US)

Energi Combined - '15 C Max Energi Leather
90 day: 51.2 mpg (US)

MoonDust for Travel - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT
90 day: 123.11 mpg (US)

MoonDust 3 with 90% CE - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 127.57 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV - '19 Chevy Bolt Lt
90 day: 126.39 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV Trip Log - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 121.01 mpg (US)

Rate Rider Chevy Bolt - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT-2
90 day: 123.16 mpg (US)

Teal Force One 70% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
90 day: 98.52 mpg (US)

Teal Force Two 90% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
90 day: 118.11 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2
Thanked 528 Times in 278 Posts
Phil Knox generated the .893 driveline efficiency figure so I used it rather the using .90. Also I had a sq ft figure of 35.763 sq ft for frontal area. I guessed at 500 watts parasitic load but later changed that to 400 watts to tweak the results. I am generating good numbers for my speed ranges in 5 mph increments from 45 mph to 85 mph which I already have confirmation data for. I find the tool to be very interesting and fun to use as long as you can input some reasonably good assumptions. It is possible to make mistakes and still have good results if other inputs are wrong the other way.

Thank you for your information on engine efficiency. I had assumed as much. Any good numbers on rolling resistance and parasitic loads would be welcome.

__________________





Last edited by aerostealth; 05-05-2015 at 09:26 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com