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 k-vette 04-06-2014 07:34 PM

Aero of teardrop on its side?

I'm considering building a velomobile and have a question about the shapes. Typically they are a 3 dimensional teardrop. I however am looking at building a 2 dimensional teardrop, so it would be aerodynamic from the top view, but essentially a rectangle from the side.

Do I lose anything by having the airflow go around the sides? The bottom would remain flat, which seems like it would be good against the ground plane.

The advantage of this shape would be two fold. 1, ease of construction. I could use flat aluminum plate for each side, top, and bottom.
2. I may add a motor and solar to the flat top side. Solar can recharge power for a velomobile in a few hours.

Any data on this? The templates all go the "wrong" way.

 kach22i 04-07-2014 11:00 AM

The problem is the air isn't going to go only where you want or decide it should go.

What's going to happen is the air on the sides will travel around this really sexy curve shape, the air above and below straight across.

It's going to take longer to go around (air at sides), the air on top will not be traveling at the same speed, there will be air pressure differences between each side and the top/bottom.

These pressure differences will cause air to be drawn to the low pressure areas, and as it does this it will be over distance which in turn causes a swirling or vortex.

The vortex is a funnel of twisting air which results in high drag once air flow further out from the body in motion contacts or interacts with it.

Your design sounds like an old soap box derby car, which I'm sure at the speed it operates at does okay as the vortexes are not too large or violent. However if you want to compete with the Velomobile, you are going to end up looking like the Velomobile.

I'd like to see a sketch or diagram of your design, the devil is in the details, and where your head is and it's treatment is rather important in the scheme of things.

 Frank Lee 04-07-2014 11:22 AM

Probably works quite well:http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...pse704b267.jpg

Mochet

1933:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps8452d6e2.jpg

 kach22i 04-07-2014 11:46 AM

Maybe a really aerodynamic helmet would help?

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WIND TUNNEL TESTING IN TEXAS
Derby Tech - January/February, 1990
by Bruce Finwall
http://derby.mypalmer.com/techinfo/d...h/windtunl.htm
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 On January 2 and 3, 1990 some interesting observations were made during tests of soap box derby racers in the Texas A&M University subsonic, closed-circuit wind tunnel. Six of the top cars in the country (3 seniors and 3 juniors) were involved in a total of 48 separate tests. The following is a summary of what was found.
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 Cody Robertson’s ‘88 racer had the least drag of all junior cars tested.
I like the stability of this design below.

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 kach22i 04-07-2014 12:07 PM

For context, these are some old posts on the topic I and others made in another forum back in 2010.

Random Picture Thread - Page 207 - Boat Design Forums
Quote:
 Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 365476) I saw a red and white striped one of these downtown Ann Arbor today, parked on the sidewalk with the regular bikes. It is so cool in person....bet it floats too, just needs an outrigger.:D Velomobile MikesBike.net http://mikesbike.net/wp-content/uplo...16317_7181.jpg http://mikesbike.net/wp-content/uplo...8632_thumb.jpg http://mikesbike.net/wp-content/uplo...5_30_thumb.jpg http://mikesbike.net/wp-content/uplo...7900_thumb.jpg

Random Picture Thread - Page 207 - Boat Design Forums
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 Originally Posted by Angélique (Post 365562) That velomobile is a Dutch designed Velomobiel.nl Quest built under license by the Canadian Bluevelo. They are HPV's (Human Powered Vehicles). Below some velomobiles from Europe.... http://en.velomobiel.nl/quest/img/quest.jpg Velomobiel.nl Quest http://www.velomobiel.nl/mango/img/xs.jpg - http://www.velomobiel.nl/mango/img/m...huinachter.jpg Here the designer working on the Velomobiel.nl Mango plug. This Quest is from Holland................. http://www.velomobiel.nl/image.php/haai1.jpg And here a Magazine cover.............. http://www.velomobiel.nl/nieuws/img/living.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This 214 MPG Super-Aerodynamic Modified Honda is from the same designer. Pay attention to the design process . . ! ! ! http://www.velomobiel.nl/allert/Recu...n/image081.jpg http://www.velomobiel.nl/allert/Recu...n/image082.jpg http://www.velomobiel.nl/allert/Recu...n/image083.jpg Here's an article about it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Milan is German Velomobile (HPV). http://www.milan-velomobil.de/milan/bilder/intro.jpg [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN7W1I7YsMY --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The WAW is a Belgian Velomobile (HPV). http://www.recumbentblog.com/wp-cont...tser-waw-7.jpg http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WKfX4Oq0Qws/Ss...0/P1020663.JPG And see this WAW in Norway . . :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More velomobile companies are linked here. Cheers! Angel
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Angélique (Post 365567) No it rides over the water . . :D http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cFao0zH2oM...0/IMG_0598.jpg Leaving port . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cFao0zH2oM...0/IMG_0595.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cFao0zH2oM...0/IMG_0587.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cFao0zH2oM...0/IMG_0594.jpg [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4lGqoyJ_xc This one is in Norway. [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21bVeTChZE Cheers, Angel

 Frank Lee 04-07-2014 12:10 PM

You should help him fab it up then.

 kach22i 04-07-2014 12:18 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 419119) You should help him fab it up then.
No you should, aren't you are the one with the FWD bike, chainsaw powered wasn't it?

I'd like to see you put a skin on that thing Frank.

Seriously.:)

 Frank Lee 04-07-2014 12:22 PM

FWD, but no ICE.

OP wanted easy fab. That's a reasonable requirement, especially if it means a completed project vs a stillborn one.

The old Mochet quads were skinned with plywood.

 aerohead 04-07-2014 03:36 PM

2-D 'Template'

Here is a symmetrical wing section of minimum drag (center section).Any 'shorter' or 'longer' and drag goes up.
If anything,you'd go longer.

 kach22i 04-07-2014 03:58 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 419123) OP wanted easy fab.
This looks pretty easy (see below).

Endless-sphere.com &bull; View topic - Aerodynamics
http://recumbents.com/wisil/e-bent/e...bent_fair8.jpg

It would help to know if the original poster already has a Velomobile trike frame already fabricated up.

If not then the yellow recumbent above may be an option.

I found the comments below from the same page as the yellow one to be quite interesting.

Endless-sphere.com &bull; View topic - Aerodynamics
Quote:
 A body on a trike is good because you are not pushed around by side winds so much. IMO, Velomobiles are too low for in city commuting. A trike commuter with a taller stance (eyes at least at same height as the drivers of cars) would work well, but then you start getting more looks from the local authorities... I'm just sticking with the non-faired recumbent for now as that what seems like the best solution (for me!). -Warren.
K-Vette may find this little project of mine (see below) interesting, it's 1/2 of what he first proposed. You can skip putting all the holes in it.

Fireplace acoustic absorber for enhancement of the center stage