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ConnClark 07-01-2014 12:06 PM

Aerodynamics the cold war soviet Russian way
 
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...oaepsg83so.jpg


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...8821215660.jpg

These Soviet Concept Vehicles Are Clearly From An Alternate Universe

freebeard 07-01-2014 12:51 PM

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...cbmqo4ikwv.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...8953696172.jpg

I hadn't seen these before.

JasonG 07-02-2014 12:01 PM

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...8821215660.jpg


Make this a four door and I'll buy one !


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kach22i 07-02-2014 12:12 PM

I've only seen the M-20 Pobeda Sport, 1950 before, lovely find.

Torpedo-GAZ, based on the Pobieda M-20, had a tubular skeleton in duraluminium, 1951
These Soviet Concept Vehicles Are Clearly From An Alternate Universe
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...tbayuw4knx.jpg

The above seems to be the same approach taken with the 300 mph Corvette by Luigi Colani in the early 1990's.

Old thread:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...iew-26432.html

It is also the same direction I've taken with my sketches for the year or so.

NeilBlanchard 07-02-2014 12:55 PM

It looks nearly symmetrical, top to bottom. That would not seem to be taking the ground into account, and would likely end up having a lot of lift?

ecomodded 07-02-2014 01:00 PM

I am curious if the above car was tilted nose down 4 inches measured at the front wheel if it would perform better.

It does look like it wants to do a loop or 2 in the air before crashing ..

ConnClark 07-02-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 433097)
It looks nearly symmetrical, top to bottom. That would not seem to be taking the ground into account, and would likely end up having a lot of lift?

In 1951 ground effects for cars largely weren't known about and what they did know wasn't applied.

Also Russia wasn't known for the flattest or smooth roads.

NeilBlanchard 07-02-2014 07:07 PM

I am not talking about ground effects (specifically for downforce) - what I am commenting on is the ideal template has a flatter underside for lower drag. The presence of the ground (which is obviously required!) changes the parameters for the underside of the car - the air moves differently near the ground because the ground restricts where it can move.

Having the underside the same profile as the top, is by definition higher drag. And in this case, the other bad side effect is probably a fair bit of lift. Also, the exposed wheels on the Russian car also mean the drag is actually pretty high.


Another point, is in 1938, there was enough aerodynamic knowledge to build this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...file-Large.jpg

So, the rules of low drag aerodynamics were known.

ecomodded 07-02-2014 07:55 PM

The rules appear to have not been handed out to the Russians, I think they may of been recycling airplane bodies .. or designs. Boris says "In Russia we don't need No stinking flatter underside , We will do it with airplane body"

Xist 07-03-2014 09:33 PM

Doesn't the airfoil have a flatter bottom to create lift? Would the ground reverse that effect?


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