Brother got a 2012 Scion/Toyota Xb 5-speed. Saw 37 mpg city in it.
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https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1561558994 My brother just replaced his trashed 2005 Nissan X-trail 5-speed (predecessor to the Rogue, not sold in the States) with this Xb. The X-trail had 317k km (197k miles), was facing multiple big repairs, was starting to rust out, and had terrible battle scars from a winter-time incident with a innocouos-looking small tree on the side of his road: https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1561559322 He originally got the X-trail because he wanted a boxy utility hatchback for his part-time HVAC jobs, and "needed" AWD on his sometimes un-plowed and/or icy road. But after seeing how many of the neighbours manage just fine in the winter with FWD cars and good winter tires, he dropped the AWD "requirement". Thus the Xb, and other cars like it, became an option. The change in vehicles is a decent fuel economy improvement: The Nissan's NRCAN (post-2008 EPA similar) ratings are:
Mods & ecomods This Xb has aftermarket steamroller tires on air-blender wheels, likely hurting MPG. But it's also lowered and has a warm air intake, which is probably helping a little. What's definitely NOT helping are the fashion-statement roof racks! My brother agrees with me in theory, but hasn't yet found the 2 minutes of free time to remove them. I told him they'll probably cost him 1-2 extra tanks of fuel a year in his typical usage (mostly highway) to project that faux-sporty lifestyle. MPG potential: https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1561561724 I ran the Xb through my ecodriving coaching city loop and saw 6.4 L/100 km = 37 mpg US reported on the factory gauge... in pretty ideal conditions. (Mild weather, warmed-up drivetrain, light traffic.) No especially fancy driving techniques used: just avoiding rushing into avoidable stops/slowdowns, upshifting to top gear as soon as practical, neutral coasting and DFCO where appropriate. I shut the engine off at 2 long stop lights. When we took his 2005 X-trail through the same loop in 2014, I squeezed 31 mpg from it with similar (normal) ecodriving techniques. (34 MPG when repeated with some engine-off coasting.) On the highway he saw a reported 6.6 = 36 mpg by setting the cruise on his typical commute (80 km/h = 50 mph rural roads). What's it like to drive? It feels like the height of automotive refinement, coming from my irksome Metro! The shift quality sucks though. Shifter feel is very clicky-plasticky. I've seen this in several other manual Toyota cars (Matrix) of this era. The clutch pedal seems to have an especially long travel, but maybe that's just me, used to the Metro. TONS of rear seat room. I can't remember the last car I sat in with this much leg room. From an eco-driving perspective, the engine seems very content to tool around in 5th gear at as low as 25 mph on the level. It's got the same engine as our dad's Camry; essentially this is a Camry in a box. It should serve my brother well for many more hundreds of thousands of km, provided he can avoid the trees jumping out at him! |
Surprisingly good economy.
My experience with fuel economy in an auto vs manual Fit is similar - the manual trounces the auto. Incidentally, this is on MrMoneyMustache's list of recommended cars. |
Yay, my brother accidentally did something financially responsible! :D
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I drove the XB again this weekend... pleasant enough, but yuck, that shifter.
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=== MPG report... In much cooler & quite windy weather, I saw 6.6 L/100 km = 36 MPG US on the display in gentle backroads driving (80 km/h PSL = 50 mph), no engine-off shenanigans. I left it idling when I was coasting. |
On death's doorstep?
Scion update!
Preamble: my brother is not exactly known for careful maintenance practices. (It's possible he changes engine oil once in a year or thereabouts, but not confirmed.) A month ago, his Scion's oil light started flickering at low engine RPM and staying on when the engine was hot at idle. It's only got something like 180k km = 112k miles on it now. Uh oh! Aren't these Camry engines supposed to live forever? 1st attempted fix: changed the pressure sending unit. Didn't help. 2nd attempted fix: dropped the oil pan to check that the pan isn't full of guck blocking the oil pump intake. That wasn't the problem. 3rd attempted fix: added a mechanical oil pressure gauge to more closely watch what's happening. Answer: Good pressure when cold, drops to ZERO(!) on the gauge at idle when hot (eg. after 25-35 minutes of driving). 4th attempted fix: new oil pump. Nope! 5th attempted fix: changed oil from 5w20 to 10w40 non-synth oil + Lucas magic molasses in a can, 1L. Gauge shows slightly better pressure, but it's so thick this engine is now not going to start on a really cold winter morning. 6th potential fix? His mechanic says $2k for a used, low-kilometer engine. The strange thing is despite running at ZERO indicated oil pressure more than a couple of times, the engine has never made a strange noise (no knock, no ticking). And there's always oil up top when peering into the oil fill hole. |
I wonder if that Scion doesn't have some oil jets. That's the only thing I can think of, other than a bearing going. I mean, where else could it possibly be losing oil pressure?
Is the VVT system oil powered in these? Maybe there's a screen that's clogged on the VVT actuator? |
High pressure bypass doesn't include pressure gauge? Had one stick open on a 66 buick same symptoms.
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Good ideas , thanks!
Going to send them to my brother. |
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