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Old 07-28-2015, 12:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm not into the while hybrid scene, However I looked at a few insights in my area and found a few for 3 to 4k. One said the battery pack was replaced 2 years ago, how expensive is that to replace? And how often? And my last question, which would probably be a big no. Has anyone say deleted the "hybrid" components off of a hybrid and say converted it over to either the original gasoline engine alone or swapped a diesel in? Maybe for someone who wants a good aero car and doesn't wanna mess with all the complications and expenses of a hybrid. Is there a place to reference cda's of different cars, I'd like to browse a list. Take it easy I'm new sorry for any stupid questions lol

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Old 07-28-2015, 12:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to say you should get a hybrid. They just happen to be some of the most aerodynamic production cars to compare to. The Camero isn't bad aerodynamically, but it certainly isn't the best around.

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Also, the Honda Insight can be driven with the pack disabled, you just loose the nice hybrid functions that make the car easier and nicer to drive. Insight owners can jump in with more info than I can provide though.
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The Camero isn't bad aerodynamically, but it certainly isn't the best around.
Of course, if you ask the Camaro fans, the aerodynamics are A+!*

All jesting aside, for a sports car they do have somewhat-low Cd and average frontal area. Not quite as good as Corvettes historically, about on par with the Viper (in all generations except the first--that's been a frustratingly consistent car aerodynamically), slightly better than the Mustang. My partner has a 1994 Z28 auto, and it gets reasonable mileage on the highway...when it's running.

*When compared to Ferraris, Miatas, and the original Beetle.
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I do not know of a 4th gen Camaro that has had a 6.2L diesel stuffed into it.
There are at least 2 3rd gen Camaros I have seen on the forums that have a 6.2/6.5 diesel installed.

The hybrid versions of the 3800 series engine completely sucks and was only found for a few years on fwd 3800 engines. It was like a really bad attempt at a prototype bolt on hybrid kit that some how got approval to go on production vehicles.

If I had a V6 Camaro like you describe I would:
Change the forward O2 sensors.
Do subtitle aero mods.
Warm air intake.
Find out what gear ratio it has.
Then swap them out to a numerically lower set.
(from 3.42 to 3.23, or if it had 3.23 gears put in a 3.08 set)
Then try to figure out how to make the engine lean burn.
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Shame you aren't closer, my friend just said his neighbor has a '96 he's trying to sell for $750. Probably beat to hell but not a big investment for a project where you only plan to keep the shell.
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Lol yeah, there at least one 4th Gen with a 6.5, pops up on Google and YouTube , green car seem it in person bought parts off his donor truck for my DD truck. Btw got my "air dam" today looks like I'll have to wipe up some creativity soon
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If I had a V6 Camaro like you describe I would:
Change the forward O2 sensors.
Do subtitle aero mods.
Warm air intake.
Find out what gear ratio it has.
Then swap them out to a numerically lower set.
(from 3.42 to 3.23, or if it had 3.23 gears put in a 3.08 set)
Then try to figure out how to make the engine lean burn.
what does moving the 02 sensors do? And could it be done to my car? Plus is gutting that cat a good or bad thing to do for mileage, I have no emissions in my area. Thanks guys for the advice.
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Not move the oxygen sensor, just replace them. Oxygen sensors are a consumable item.
If you were really motivated, you could move the O2 as close as possible to the manifold, like you see with the imports. (I wouldn't bother)

My friend has a 1999 Camaro with 3800 and auto trans, he said the oxygen sensors were likely original, so they had at least the 80,000 miles he put on them and up to 150,000 on the odometer. After replacing the front O2 sensors he said mileage improved 1 to 2 mpg and there was a lot more get up and go. Defiantly worth the price of the sensors.
And he is a tight wad.

Knocking the junk out of the converter does not seem to do much unless its done to the hardest working, trailer pulling gas trucks out there.
Unless the converter is clogging up with soot or oil ash.
(if it plugs up once, its likely going to do it again)
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Topic gravedigging, but,
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