climate & food insecurity

[redpoint5]

We're to believe the earth has never had changing climates?

Men created the great oxidation event, for example?

Bots

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by tylerparker

Climate Change is not natural. It is man made.

If all climate change is man made then how did the last ice age end?
And the one before that?

[redpoint5]

We were trolled by a bot.

[freebeard]

....and I missed it. Like oil pan 4 I (occasionally) quote them knowing they will disappear.

Did the sig line say 'new accounts can't post links?

[oil pan 4]

Mindless bots and real people are often indistinguishable from one another.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Did the sig line say 'new accounts can't post links?

No, and it was more sophisticated because it was on topic to each thread it responded to.

Problem was, they were all 2 sentence throw-away statements.

I actually responded to the first one as if a human had wrote it, but then read the other ~7 posts and they all took on the same form as the one op4 quoted. I then revised my comment in light of the Turing Test failure.

As SA has been discussing lately about how artificial relationships will be preferred by some people, I had the thought that someday we'll come to prefer bot posts to human ones.

While humans can "read the room" and adjust strategy to improve effectiveness, bots will be deadly precise at that, learning exactly what motivates people and how to reward folks with dopamine when they respond the way the bot has been designed persuade.

I don't know what the counter to highly effective mind control will be. Those highly susceptible to programming, which is the majority of people, would need to be programmed at an early age in counter mind control, and I'm not sure that would be very effective because their very nature is such that it conforms to external suggestion.

Maybe in the future we just plug those people into the Matrix because that's where they want to be, and the few that want to pursue truth and new frontiers can adventure on.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

They have worked in Kenya since the 60s. They say this drought is not the root of the problem. The problem is population.

This is true all across the globe.

So, how do you control population?

Demand that all women be educated! That is all you need to do! Education is the best contraceptive.

The layperson logic they peddle is that, since infant mortality is so significant, they over-procreate, with the hope that enough will survive to continue the bloodline.
A guarantee of a healthy birth is considered the best contraceptive. They take it from there.

[redpoint5]

The "education is the best contraceptive" idea seems insufficient as an explanation, as if knowing how babies are made or something is the primary limiter of birthrates.

The reason education limits birthrates is because it's expensive and takes all of a woman's reproductively prime years. No time or money for children. The last thing a woman learns as she finally finishes school and establishes a career is what geriatric pregnancy is, followed by reproductive therapy. That is of course, if she can attract a male whom she also finds attractive.

[freebeard]

[RE: #25 -- things move fast] Are you sure?

Solipsism
Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.
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Maybe in the future we just plug those people into the Matrix because that's where they want to be, and the few that want to pursue truth and new frontiers can adventure on.

Current thinking is that Zion was just another level of the Matrix. It explains some plot holes.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

If all climate change is man made then how did the last ice age end?
And the one before that?

* The last four ice ages ( G'u'nz, Mindel, Riss, and W'u'rm ) all saw abrupt warming associated with an increase of 80-100 ppmv carbon dioxide.
* The last deglaciation ( 14,700- 13,000 years ago ) was interrupted by the 'Antarctic Cold Reversal'.
* At 12,900 years ago there was an abrupt, massive global cooling, over 1,300-years in the Northern Hemisphere.
* At 12,000-years ago, carbon dioxide was 180 ppmv.
* At 10,000-years ago, the sea level rise reopens the Bering strait Arctic ocean circulation.
* Half of a Milankovich Obliquity cycle was in play with solar insolation.
* At 8,500 B.C.E. we hit the Younger Dryas, Methane Minimum.
* At 8,000 B.C.E. the Nares Strait ocean circulation opened.