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Cooling System Drag variability (some examples)
* 1938 Adler-Jaray, 100% grille-block, delta 15.789%
* 1963, idealized cooling system, Cd 0.21 vehicle, Walter Korff, Lockheed Aircraft Company, delta- 7.7% * 1969 Chevrolet Corvette ( daytime ), 100% grille-block, delta- 6.53% * CAR and DRIVER, 'CRISIS-FIGHTER PINTO,' 1974 Ford Pinto Runabout, 100% grille-block, delta- 4.33% * 1976 'Lamellar' grille, Ford of Cologne, Germany, delta- 12% * 1978 Chevrolet Chevette, 100% grille-block, delta- 7.569% * 1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am, 100% grille-block, delta 3.5% * 1982 Dr. Ludwig Elsbett, Elsbett Konstruktion ( Elko ), Volkswagen Rabbit, with oil-cooled Elko 3-cyl Diesel, radiator deleted ( standard Rabbit heater core used for engine cooling ), delta- approx. 5.8139% * SAE Paper 860212, FIAT, wind tunnel research model, cooling drag = 0.017 * Ditto: with 100% grille-block, delta 0.003, 1.2% * 2005 ' Project Red Hat,' HOT ROD Magazine, land speed record, Chevrolet Camaro, Cd 0.201 ( from Cd 0.491 ), 100% sealed front end,[ unspecified contribution from 'grille-block'. * 2007 Ford / Buckeye, Fusion 999, hydrogen fuel-cell EV, land speed record car, 100% grille-block, delta- 7.3529% * Gary Eaker, A2 and Aerodyne wind tunnels, comments that, over his career, he's measured cooling system drag at up to 100-counts. * 2012, Audi A2, Chalmers University, 100% grille-block, delta 9.479% * 2013 Dodge DART SXT, grille-shutters, delta- 1.72% * 2017 SPIRIT of EcoModder.com - II, 100% grille-block, delta 7.837% * 2017 ' generic ' ICE vehicle, Dr. Joseph Katz, 100% grille-block, delta 13.52% |
Tesla cooling system efficiency
Re: moving the cooling efficiency ( drag ) goal posts
https://insideevs.com/news/339220/te...model-s-p100d/ |
Chevrolet Cobalt SS land speed record grille-block
Sealing the entire front end of the Cobalt was part of the aerodynamic strategy.
No aerodynamic values were given for the project 2006 Chevrolet at the Bonneville Salt Flats - Chevrolet Cobalt SS Front And Side - 1280x960 - Wallpaper |
Ford / Buckeye Fusion 999 land speed record
FoMoCo used same tricks as GM
https://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/14/...run-at-bonnev/ |
Thanks for the list but I am not sure that it progresses the discussion much.
As I said, most ICE cooling drag values vary from 4-5 per cent up to about 14 per cent, with just a very few cars down around 0-1 per cent, and only one car that I am aware of actually developing measured thrust from its cooling system. |
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* The 1983 Ford Probe-IV cooling system produced thrust. If memory serves me, the fans could push the car to 3-miles per hour. However, it was not 'passive' thrust, requiring an ICE to turn an alternator, to produce the electricity which would ultimately power the electric motor-driven, high-static-pressure fans; for both engine cooling and air conditioning. Or stored, ICE-derived, battery power. * So there's context. The complete entropic chain of custody must be present in the total energy budget of the vehicle. |
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If you want to make up your own new definition of cooling drag, perhaps you should write an SAE paper or textbook that does so? Me? I am happy to rely on how the real experts define cooling drag. |
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There's clearly a chain of custody, and each element will have it's own efficiency. Textbook or no, engineers follow the trail, from beginning to end. If you'll keep re-reading Dr. Wolf, it may dawn on you. He clearly spelled out all the non-aerodynamic caveats responsible for the 911's low drag cooling. The low drag was impossible without these non-aerodynamic technologies. |
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Dr Wolf has reviewed my section on this car in my new book, and congratulated me on it in fact. Such a pity when your theories don't match the facts, isn't it? |
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You've made an omelet. Did you crack the egg on the rim of a bowl, or use a 'Czar' bomb? Ask him about the mechanical efficiency of : * high / low-speed electric cooling fans * pulley-driven alternator * 7-pulley serpentine drive belt system * internal combustion, Otto-cycle, engine, as a prime mover ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's impossible to 'rate' the cooling system 'drag' without this information. He'll understand why you bring it up. No cooling system is an island. |
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