Go Back   EcoModder Forum > Off-Topic > The Lounge
Register Now
 Register Now
 


Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-04-2015, 07:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
redneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: SC Lowcountry
Posts: 1,386

Geo XL1 - '94 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Boat tails and more mods
90 day: 72.22 mpg (US)

Big, Bad & Flat - '01 Dodge Ram 3500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 21.13 mpg (US)
Thanks: 183
Thanked 1,125 Times in 548 Posts
Energy-Pinching Americans Pose Threat to Power Grid...

.

Energy-Pinching Americans Pose Threat to Power Grid



Threat to the power grid...???

More like a threat to their profit margin...


>

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 02-04-2015, 09:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
Growin a stash
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 607
Thanks: 346
Thanked 208 Times in 156 Posts
Those poor monopolies. Whatever will they do?
__________________


2015 Nissan Leaf S, 164 mpge
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 10:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 4,067

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,724
Thanked 1,861 Times in 1,208 Posts
Quote:
That is the fear of some utility experts who say that as Americans use less power, electric companies won’t have the revenue needed to maintain sprawling networks of high-voltage lines and generating plants.
And here I was, thinking that the connection charge and the power usage charge were separate for a reason.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Fat Charlie For This Useful Post:
Frank Lee (02-04-2015), niky (02-04-2015)
Old 02-04-2015, 10:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,741

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,573
Thanked 3,509 Times in 2,196 Posts
Quote:
But some utilities are taking measures to counter the trend. Power companies in 20 states are trying to overhaul their rates so that they are less dependent on kilowatt-hour sales.
Ha- my coop was on that like flies on isht, years ago. It's probably all my fault; I went to a coop members meeting and mgmt and fellow customers alike were astonished at my low usage, about 1/10th of average. Can't have anyone getting away with paying that little, so they reformulated the rate structure to quadruple the monthly service fee.

Quote:
He says customers think these fees punish energy-conservers and lengthen pay-back periods for solar power and energy-efficiency upgrades.
Damn right, the efficient user now more than ever subsidizes the slob.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 11:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Philippines
Posts: 2,173
Thanks: 1,739
Thanked 587 Times in 401 Posts
Outdated business models. As customers become more cost conscious, the models make less and less sense.

-

Like the road tax.

-

I like this part:

Quote:
Some utilities are embracing the possibility that customers could leave the grid. Elizabeth Killinger, president of NRG Retail, a unit of NRG Energy Inc., says the nation is entering the “era of personal power.”
Now hurry up and give me 5kW home solar for the cost of a MacBook, please.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 03:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 447

Valerie - '03 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 55.79 mpg (US)
Thanks: 277
Thanked 231 Times in 105 Posts
This is interesting from a guy in my state:

But even as power production becomes more decentralized, there is value in the centralized electric system, says Tom Farrell, chief executive of Dominion Resources Inc. in Richmond, Va. To allow a $1 trillion system to decay would be unconscionable, he says. “You can’t run a country on solar panels.”
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 04:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
...beats walking...
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: .
Posts: 6,191
Thanks: 179
Thanked 1,521 Times in 1,122 Posts
She said it: "...NOT CONSUMERS problem..."
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 05:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,741

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,573
Thanked 3,509 Times in 2,196 Posts
I find it hard to believe that Americans are using so little power.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2015, 06:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
kir_kenix
 
kir_kenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Emerson, Ne
Posts: 207

1997 Chevy s10 - '97 Chevy S10 WT
Pickups
90 day: 32.71 mpg (US)

1997 Ford Escort - '97 Ford Escort LX
Team Ford
Last 3: 32.29 mpg (US)

Razz - '97 Yamaha Razz
90 day: 109.57 mpg (US)

2004 Ford F250 - '04 Ford F250 XLT
90 day: 16.32 mpg (US)

2000 S10 4.3 - '00 Chevrolet S10 W/T
Pickups
90 day: 19.4 mpg (US)

2010 corilla - '10 Toyota Corolla LE
90 day: 32.82 mpg (US)
Thanks: 15
Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts
I'm one of the "subsidizers" for other users. Northeast Nebraska Public Power District loves to toot it's own horn about how they help several thousand people every winter keep the power on when they can't afford it. They never come out and say that they are just overcharging the rest of us so someone doesn't have to have to live without cable, a cell phone, internet, or probably a car they can't afford. Maybe if some of my neighbors would prioritize their needs, manage their money, and be responsible for their own bills I wouldn't have to pay for their heat during the winter. Barring extraordinary circumstances, I can't imagine anything being more important to a family than keeping the milk cold and the house warm...but sadly that is not always the thinking in America where somebody else will just pick up the bill.

I've very seriously considered moving my personal residence off of the grid. My meager solar array and small wind turbine would almost cover my day to day electricity and farm needs, but I would have to kick on the generator and set up a cleaner transfer switch to run the lathe, milling machine, or welders. Figure I would spend more in diesel/wear and tear on equipment then I would on the $19.99 "service charge" that gets attached to every bill. This will probably not be true if my electricity bill goes up very much more than it is presently.

It's time that the utility companies move to a better business plan. The days of every person needing to buy gross amounts of electricity to see after sunset and watch TV are over. Solar, wind, and various other types of power generation are getting cheaper, more reliable, and more available. Not to mention how much more efficient bulbs and appliances have become. Just like any other business they need to find a way to produce their product at a more affordable cost or their customers will get service somewhere else.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2015, 06:23 AM   #10 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 8,436
Thanks: 0
Thanked 917 Times in 812 Posts
If I were living in a house instead of an apartment, I'm sure I'd be off-the-grid. Solar panels and wind turbines, with a small backup genset powered preferably by waste cooking oils, would be my choice. And some batteries to reduce the need for the backup genset to kick in...


Quote:
Originally Posted by kir_kenix View Post
I've very seriously considered moving my personal residence off of the grid. My meager solar array and small wind turbine would almost cover my day to day electricity and farm needs, but I would have to kick on the generator and set up a cleaner transfer switch to run the lathe, milling machine, or welders. Figure I would spend more in diesel/wear and tear on equipment then I would on the $19.99 "service charge" that gets attached to every bill. This will probably not be true if my electricity bill goes up very much more than it is presently.
Have you never considered using some waste materials (either wood chips, animal manure, whatever organic material) as a renewable fuel source? Running a genset on some biofuel produced at a nearly-zero cost seems viable.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com