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JulianEdgar 01-11-2021 03:23 PM

Fascinating free paper - but it's on trains, not cars
 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...dgcid=coauthor

What a great paper! Well written and fascinating results. Worth reading for anyone interested in vehicle aero - not just trains.

They instrumented a shipping container on a train, placing pressure taps/front and back.

Key points to look at:

- how Cd is calculated from just front and rear pressures
- how Cd varied little with speed (as expected) but varied a lot with crosswinds - see graph below
- the different pressure patterns on the container with crosswinds
- how Reynold's numbers are important, because the 'length' criterion varies with the position of the container along the train
- how boundary layer thickness is important - and again varies with position along the train

And, for anyone just interested in tech, how they instrumented (and then retrieved data from) a freight train travelling across one-third of Australia, with no researchers on board.

Variation in drag with wind:

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/imag...1-gr13_lrg.jpg

freebeard 01-11-2021 05:20 PM

"Access through your Institution to view subscribed content from home."

Outline and Figure thumbnails are available.

JulianEdgar 01-11-2021 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 640417)
"Access through your Institution to view subscribed content from home."

Outline and Figure thumbnails are available.

Oh. I can download the whole paper.

Does this work? https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/s...23942D1DE766F5

Vman455 01-11-2021 05:36 PM

Nope, it must be restricted for US readers. (I can see if I can get it at my college library or the university library next time I'm there).

JulianEdgar 01-11-2021 05:40 PM

Ok sorry about that. I just tried accessing it through an anonymous browser and it wouldn't let me in either.

So I must have gained access to the system when I was writing my book. I didn't pay any money, and I didn't do it illegally, so it might be one where if you're a researcher / author / etc they'll let you apply and then grant access.

Cd 01-11-2021 07:38 PM

I'm not seeing the link either.
It asks for a login.

One question I would like to ask about trains that may be covered in the article, is why that modern trains got rid of streamlining.
Sure passenger trains are still streamlined, but what about average freight trains ?

They go so far as to have exposed ladders on the sides, and look like a blunt anvil.

I have seen others explain it away as " Well they don't go very fast ", but as we all know, even at 45 mph there is a huge amount of drag.

JulianEdgar 01-11-2021 09:08 PM

From the paper's intro:

Diesel-powered locomotives remain one of the most favoured means
of hauling freight by trains over long distances. Reducing fuel consumption of existing freight trains by better understanding the resistances that need to be overcome has never been more relevant. One source of energy loss, the aerodynamic resistance (drag), has not had the
same research focus when compared to other vehicles, such as cars and
high speed trains. This may be in part due to an inaccurate perception
that inter-modal freight trains travel at low speeds

JulianEdgar 01-12-2021 01:25 AM

The paper should be available by request from here.

Cd 01-30-2021 07:44 PM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153308/

This is not about trains, but I wanted to share and didn't know where to add it in the forum.

Cd 01-30-2021 08:10 PM

And here is another.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67610501001611

It may have been posted already.
In fact, it may be a paper we all spoke about earlier.
( I'm trying to find more information on ducting air into a cars' wake to reduce drag )

I might just start a new thread where i dump links to papers.

Here is one on wake reduction from a blown wake https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67610515000665

It is too complex for me, but I did see one chart that showed that drag was reduced by about 2 counts through air blown into the wake. (.377 - .357 Cd )

From this paper :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...42727X18310270
.Quote " Based on our previous study (Wang et al., 2017), the drag can be reduced only by using blowing or suction method at certain edges of the rear body, otherwise it would be increased "

So apparently blowing air into the wake has to be just right, or you end up increasing drag.
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