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 01-11-2021, 03:23 PM #1 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 1,704 Thanks: 94 Thanked 1,376 Times in 961 Posts Fascinating free paper - but it's on trains, not cars https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...dgcid=coauthor What a great paper! Well written and fascinating results. Worth reading for anyone interested in vehicle aero - not just trains. They instrumented a shipping container on a train, placing pressure taps/front and back. Key points to look at: - how Cd is calculated from just front and rear pressures - how Cd varied little with speed (as expected) but varied a lot with crosswinds - see graph below - the different pressure patterns on the container with crosswinds - how Reynold's numbers are important, because the 'length' criterion varies with the position of the container along the train - how boundary layer thickness is important - and again varies with position along the train And, for anyone just interested in tech, how they instrumented (and then retrieved data from) a freight train travelling across one-third of Australia, with no researchers on board. Variation in drag with wind: __________________ Two of my books: Modifying the Aerodynamics of Your Road Car Car Aerodynamic Testing for Road and Track - second edition
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 01-11-2021, 05:20 PM #2 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: northwest of normal Posts: 18,710 Thanks: 5,181 Thanked 6,166 Times in 4,943 Posts "Access through your Institution to view subscribed content from home." Outline and Figure thumbnails are available. __________________ . Ringo Starr: "What key is it in, Robby?" _____________________ Face the danger and row away from it. David B. Frohnmayer_________________
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 01-11-2021, 05:36 PM #4 (permalink) Tyrant-at-large     Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,816 Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two Team ToyotaSUV 90 day: 53.62 mpg (US) Tycho the Truck - '91 Toyota Pickup DLX 4WD Thanks: 191 Thanked 1,617 Times in 854 Posts Nope, it must be restricted for US readers. (I can see if I can get it at my college library or the university library next time I'm there). __________________
 01-11-2021, 05:40 PM #5 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 1,704 Thanks: 94 Thanked 1,376 Times in 961 Posts Ok sorry about that. I just tried accessing it through an anonymous browser and it wouldn't let me in either. So I must have gained access to the system when I was writing my book. I didn't pay any money, and I didn't do it illegally, so it might be one where if you're a researcher / author / etc they'll let you apply and then grant access. __________________ Two of my books: Modifying the Aerodynamics of Your Road Car Car Aerodynamic Testing for Road and Track - second edition
 01-11-2021, 07:38 PM #6 (permalink) Ultimate Fail     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austin,Texas Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 2,548 Thanked 872 Times in 520 Posts I'm not seeing the link either. It asks for a login. One question I would like to ask about trains that may be covered in the article, is why that modern trains got rid of streamlining. Sure passenger trains are still streamlined, but what about average freight trains ? They go so far as to have exposed ladders on the sides, and look like a blunt anvil. I have seen others explain it away as " Well they don't go very fast ", but as we all know, even at 45 mph there is a huge amount of drag.
 01-11-2021, 09:08 PM #7 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 1,704 Thanks: 94 Thanked 1,376 Times in 961 Posts From the paper's intro: Diesel-powered locomotives remain one of the most favoured means of hauling freight by trains over long distances. Reducing fuel consumption of existing freight trains by better understanding the resistances that need to be overcome has never been more relevant. One source of energy loss, the aerodynamic resistance (drag), has not had the same research focus when compared to other vehicles, such as cars and high speed trains. This may be in part due to an inaccurate perception that inter-modal freight trains travel at low speeds __________________ Two of my books: Modifying the Aerodynamics of Your Road Car Car Aerodynamic Testing for Road and Track - second edition
 01-12-2021, 01:25 AM #8 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 1,704 Thanks: 94 Thanked 1,376 Times in 961 Posts The paper should be available by request from here. __________________ Two of my books: Modifying the Aerodynamics of Your Road Car Car Aerodynamic Testing for Road and Track - second edition
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 01-30-2021, 07:44 PM #9 (permalink) Ultimate Fail     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austin,Texas Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 2,548 Thanked 872 Times in 520 Posts https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153308/ This is not about trains, but I wanted to share and didn't know where to add it in the forum.
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 01-30-2021, 08:10 PM #10 (permalink) Ultimate Fail     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Austin,Texas Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 2,548 Thanked 872 Times in 520 Posts And here is another. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67610501001611 It may have been posted already. In fact, it may be a paper we all spoke about earlier. ( I'm trying to find more information on ducting air into a cars' wake to reduce drag ) I might just start a new thread where i dump links to papers. Here is one on wake reduction from a blown wake https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...67610515000665 It is too complex for me, but I did see one chart that showed that drag was reduced by about 2 counts through air blown into the wake. (.377 - .357 Cd ) From this paper : https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...42727X18310270 .Quote " Based on our previous study (Wang et al., 2017), the drag can be reduced only by using blowing or suction method at certain edges of the rear body, otherwise it would be increased " So apparently blowing air into the wake has to be just right, or you end up increasing drag. " Last edited by Cd; 01-30-2021 at 09:33 PM..
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