Ford 1 litre turbo 3 cylinder ecoboost.
 

Found this via cleanmpg: Ford Focus 1.0-litre Ecoboost (2012) CAR review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online

99 bhp 125 lbsft of torque at 1400rpm 58.8mpg available now in a ford focus.
I'm glad to see another 3 cylinder coming to production cars.

Was wondering what you guys think of this engine. As far as transplanting this into your car or trike project, would this be the best option? If the focus is rated at 58.8 with this engine, then should't it be more fuel efficient than the Prius and 1st gen Insight engines especially since it relies only on the three cylinder and not electric assist?

Better viable option as opposed to importing a three cylinder diesel from over seas that may or may not meet emissions?

The Focus in Europe is rated 58.8 mpg imperial which is only 48.9 mpg US. Its also their test cycle. The EPA rating would be much lower. This engine also wont be going into the Focus in the US, but they are planning on offering it on the Fiesta. I think it'll probably be a great engine and its nice to finally see something smaller than 1.4-1.5L in a US car.

Transplanting will depend on how complicated the control systems are. I've heard that sometimes these new ECUs don't like it if they can't see every single sensor and body control submodules they expect to be on the car they think they're in.

Converting to aftermarket ECU might lose you some of the finer control over the low load lean burn abilities that ultra-quick direct injection control gives you.

I don't understand why the timing BELT is lubricated through the oil pan. Madness.

Lil Honda industrial engines have an internal oil lubed belt too.

@ 100 or 125 HP it's way too powerful.


IMO the VW 60 HP 1.0 L 3 cylinder from the Up! would be a better choice for a lightweight economy vehicle.
(The 75 HP version is geared shorter, and gets its extra HP from more revs.)

There really isn't a big penalty for having the extra horsepower. Plus, if it actually gets people into Fiesta sized vehicles its more than worth it. Sadly, 60 or even 75 hp would be laughed at and completely slammed by nearly all car reviewers and consumers in the US. Reviewers of the new Prius C are already harping on it being so slow, and it has 99 hp and electric assist!

Murricans... am-i-right?

But seriously... 60 hp is pretty slow for typical US highway speeds, though it's acceptable for urban traffic. Micro-cars with about 60-75 hp get from 0-30 mph in a respectable amount of time (similar to bigger engined cars). It's that slog from 30-60 mph that's the killer.

Then again, people who care about gas mileage really shouldn't be bothered by taking 15 to 18 seconds to hit 60 mph.

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One cheap engine that might be easy to swap in is the Suzuki K10. 1.0 3-cylinder. Around 65 hp, gets about 20 km/l (mixed) and over 30 km/l on highway runs... (nearly 80 mpg at a steady 50 mph in a standard Suzuki), and it's available in the Indian market Maruti Alto, which means less complicated body control and sensor crap to deal with when swapping, yet it is still EUROIV compliant.

...typically, only 15-20 hp is needed for steady 55-60 mph highway cruising.

...the "extra" hp is required to get out your own way on on-ramps, hills, and passing lethargic snails...ie: when accelerating!

But there definitely is a penalty for it.
There's no big penalty for any gas sucking feature - but add all of them and you'll end up with a gas-guzzler.

That's another unfortunate side-effect of having nearly free gasoline.
There's plenty of cars in Europe in that HP range.
There were even more of them back in the days when our cars weren't as big and heavy as they are now.

Yet we can cope with them, so why can't Americans ?
Safety is not really the issue - just about all European countries have better safety statistics than the US.

Of course, when you're used to testing the kind of big overpowered gas monsters that fill the US roads, and when your fuel is paid for by your readers, the li'l Prius C will lose its attractiveness to the tester who'd rather be in a far less down-to-earth vehicle.

What you have with a "two personality" engine is the ability to drive at constant speeds with significantly higher BSFC, while still having available power for passing, merging, and climbing significant grades.

Kind of like having two small engines without the complexity involved.

Combine that with a greater number of gearing choices and you can have low RPM cruising with good economy and higher power for the few times when power is necessary.

regards
Mech

Does the turbo run continuously or is it low-compression when cruising?

That's another unfortunate side-effect of having nearly free gasoline.
There's plenty of cars in Europe in that HP range.
There were even more of them back in the days when our cars weren't as big and heavy as they are now.

Yet we can cope with them, so why can't Americans ?
Safety is not really the issue - just about all European countries have better safety statistics than the US.


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Reviewers of the new Prius C are already harping on it being so slow, and it has 99 hp and electric assist!

Of course, when you're used to testing the kind of big overpowered gas monsters that fill the US roads, and when your fuel is paid for by your readers, the li'l Prius C will lose its attractiveness to the tester who'd rather be in a far less down-to-earth vehicle.

The gas isn't 'free'. we just dont triple the price of it with stupid liberal tax policies.

Why, if it's so great over there....(yeah right) do you really care about what we do over here?

Oh! I just had a thought.....your bitter and want us to have a crappy life like you do!!!!

It's tough driving the world economy.....maybe Greece can step in for a while....oh yeah....

How's all that 'free' socialism working for you today.....?

euro is completely right on this.

Not quite. The reason gas prices in Europe are so high is because the governments tax it so much to pay for their socialist systems. In America gas drives our economy, drives us around, and makes our world go. So our government subsidizes it to make it cheaper and keep us happy and growing. This has worked out great. We love our cars and thats why we have the biggest auto company in the world.

If you honestly believe the socialism type of society is better, please look at whats happening in Europe right now. Greece is burning. Europe is about ready to crash because of the debt they are in. Its all because they have to pay for all the social programs they give to their citizens. When citizens depend so much on the government, wheres the money come from? Nowhere, and thats why they are in do much debt.

I'll keep my free market capitalist society where you are free to do more with the money you earn. I do not want our country to end up like Europe, its just not American.

He's right in that because of the fuel prices in each spot, they had thrift forced on them while we have bloated overpowered inefficient hogs and we love to speed all over creation in them, and idle them when we aren't. In spite of what every pickup commercial throughout the '90s and '00s said, we do not need 400HP to cart our butts back and forth to work. Capiche?

Seems like a great little engine. What are the odds of seeing this engine here in North America ?

A bizarre statement as US highway speeds are "legally" below that of Europe where highway speeds are 70-80 mph. And the most common small car in the UK atleast is the Ford Ka, with a massive 59 hp and abundant on motorways.

Which would be great, except America is guilty of all the same things as the other failing nations. You still have record debts that need sorting, the difference is you had the economic clout to try and buy your way out of it. But the austerity is coming, and it's coming hard.

Which one is that, Toyota or Volkswagen?

High fuel prices are a result of supply and demand. There is high tax, but tax has to come from somewhere and as oil needs to be preserved, that's not a bad target to chose.

Back to the Ford engine.
It will be in Focus sized cars and is a great step forwards. As has already been mentioned by Old mechanic, it has a Bmep of 18.6, which is outstanding and due to the small, very high speed turbo, it should give plenty of usable torque over a very wide rev range.

Europe with its huge gas taxes is reducing consumption over there while subsidizing cheap gas for US consumers. Thank you Europe for making it cheaper for us to drive huge inefficient vehicles. We couldn't have done without you. Keep up the great work because daddy wants a new V8.

Try GM?

Sure, the gas isn't free - because many Americans needlessly use so much of it that it eventually evens out.

Well, you can't say that what you do in the US, doesn't have its effect on us.
It drives prices up - with the taxes, even more for us than for you - and sucks wells dry in a hurry.

Why would I be bitter buddy ?

I don't have the financial issues some of the folks on this forum seem to have - money is not what drives me to consume a bit less.
Some of the comments on here make me wonder how these people get by.

I don't have to worry about health or healthcare - it's taken care of.

I don't have to worry about my job - business is booming.

My holiday for the year is planned ...

What makes you think I'd have a crappy life ?


I'm just painting the picture as it is, and that picture shows a truly gas-guzzling nation where for many, big just isn't big enough.
100 HP isn't enough ... we get by.
The Euro Ford Transit is too small ... we get our work done with it.


We could do with a bit less socialism, but all in all, I wouldn't want to trade permanently with the average American.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about a 1.0 liter turbo Ford three-banger?

Of course it is. It`s a wonderful engine and I hope we get to hypermile it some day, the improved aerodynamics of new Ford cars can only make it better.

Now let`s get back to fighting about who is right.
Reality check. The biggest auto company in the world is Toyota. The strongest economic power in the world is the EU. The US just makes the rules because it used to be the biggest and because it helped save the world against the Nazis in WW2. And also because it goes to war with anyone who opposes it.

Even though the US government is strictly against free health care, education etc. it still manages to tax the **** out of its citizens and spend a bunch more than it earns, of which billions are spent on killing plenty of people thousands of miles away. U.S. National Debt Clock

So basically, what socialist countries spend on healthcare and welfare, the others spend on killing people and the debt comes out very similar.

The US is stupid.
Europe is stupid.

Y'all happy now.

I would love to see Ford bring the 1 liter cast iron ecotec engine to the US, in a Fiesta sized car with no power options as standard equipment. Only problem is there are probably not very many like me who would possibly buy one. Stuff a nice wide ratio 6 speed in that baby that tached maybe 1800 at 65MPH with good enough aero.

Until than I will just ride my 73-85 MPG bike for most of my trips, even 815 miles in January. What's that 11 gallons of gas. We owe nothing and make decent money, most of which is retirement and investments. Yesterday 40 miles on two quarts of gas. If the US ever wises up and allows the manufacturers to sell something here like the small cars in Europe, I might buy one, but for now the cost just doesn't justify changing what's in my garage, unless something fairly dramatic becomes available.

Even if that happens it still has to be cost effective. All the garbage they want me to buy that I would probably never use could be replaced with a power outlet, so I don't have to worry about carrying the weight of all that obsolete crap around in two years.

My 13 year old car should be good for another 60k miles, and that would work out to another 10 years or so. Heck the bike might last that long, and I don't have 6k in both of them. with plenty of back ups sitting in the garage, even one that is 40 years old and still gets close to 60 MPG.

regards
Mech

I like the 1.0 ecoboost engine and would rather buy a Fiesta than a Fiat when my Insight dies.

I will add that the US would have a lot more socialized welfare for its citizens if it took the massive amounts of foreign aid and diverted it back home.

I don't think that the cost of fuel is the only driving force in larger engines. The United States is not as densely populated as Europe. It is a suburban society built around the interstate highway filled with semi trucks. Driving long straight stretches where one might need to accelerate quickly to not be run over by a semi is an environment that screams big vehicle/big engine. European roads that are not as straight or at as high of an average speed place more emphasis on handling, hence smaller cars that dont need such large engines. I would bet that Europeans that have to drive on the Autobahn are a lot more likely to buy more powerful vehicles than the average European, as That is a lot less friendly environment for low powered subcompacts. It doesn't particularly bother me (I drive a 2000 Insight), but virtually all of the women in my family drive SUVs because the size of the vehicle and the 4 or all wheel drive make them feel safer.

The 1.0 ecoboost is the future of engine building, whether in Europe or the US. I believe we will see engines like this worldwide, with the US versions being available with more boost.

Except when going between countries, where you're on the highway, Europe isn't laid out much like America, with big, wide roads and endless miles of nothing. You have lots of small towns to drive through and lots of narrow, winding roads. Couple that with the higher prices of fuel, and people think nothing of going long distance with an "underpowered" car... versus the US, where you can spend long boring hours with the throttle pinned to the floor between states.

Asia is more like Europe, except our narrow, winding roads are in even worse condition. We do have highways where you can peg the needle, but they're few and far between, and high gas prices force consumers to basically buy as little engine as they can get away with. Over here, anything over 1.6 liters (gasoline) is considered a "gas guzzler" and the biggest diesels you see on the road are typically 3.0... with mere 2.0 - 2.5 diesels being the norm.

I find anything with more than 80 hp completely adequate, if a little frustrating when going uphill, as it's easy to get stuck behind someone going at a snail's pace.

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I think the US-Europe comparison is a non-argument. We all agree here that fuel economy is important, right? US and European driving conditions evolved under a different set of factors, creating what is there now, as payne points out. (Incidentally, a similar set of conditions created the Australian market, which also likes big cars with big engines...). What's left for us is to deal with these conditions as best we can.

Modern turbos are variable-geometry. There's a low-rpm trim that spools up faster, and a high-rpm trim that pushes more air. This keeps boost fairly constant from just above idle to redline, resulting in a nice, flat torque curve.

As for cruising, I'm pretty sure it will use ultra-lean burn at part throttle cruising for more economy.

I read somewhere the turbo spins up to 250k rpm. Must be a very small one on a 1 liter engine.

regards
Mech

It runs continuously, but it only spins as much as exhaust manifold pressure dictates. That depends on throttle opening.

Maybe in the 1970's but Britain has a rather good network of motorways these days which are used by a lot of people, a lot of the time. This is shown by how well diesel, and the turbo diesel, have been embraced in the British market.

And going a long distance in the UK certainly doesn't mean driving through small towns as nearly all major routes have a bypass around population centres.

Oh, and get back to GTP!

I've been found out! Hey, I"ve been lurking on and off here for years, I used to mod a green subforum in the Philippines, so I joined here out of curiousity. :D (hfs?)

It's the historical precept that dictates the current situation. And you still can't stick a brick on the pedal in the UK and drive in a straight line for several hours. But yes, the prevalence of the new turbodiesels indicates the changing conditions and the desire for power... but still tempered by the incredilbe (by American standards) fuel prices.

Thanks to concerns over high fuel prices, there's bound to be a convergence in markets as everyone gravitates towards similar cars.

Unless the tax rates change, Americans will never like diesel as well as Europeans. Furthermore, because of these differences in preference, American refineries put out a lower percentage of diesel fuel relative to gasoline, and fixing that would require wholesale refits for the refineries. Add that to the efficiency advantage diesel has enjoyed but is now shrinking due to high pressure direct fuel injection, and I believe diesel will always be a bit player in the States.

Passenger car diesels don't stand a chance in this country. Hybrids have broken under $20k with 50mpg combined. The cheapest diesel is $5000 more and diesel fuel still costs $0.50-1.00 more per gallon.

It's not just the fuel cost per mile holding diesels back in the US. It's tailpipe emissions. It costs a fortune to make a diesel engine run as clean as a gas engine.

Diesel comes with so many extra issues these days, that it isn't a solution to the problem.

I'm far from the only one having particulate filter issues.
These DPF then apparently only reduce the particle size to below the particle size that's being measured, but makes the particles even more harmful because they go deeper in the lungs.
Good call on making these things mandatory , EU !

Euro 4 (with DPF) and Euro 5 (mandatory DPF) cars have a lot of extra gear to bring down their emissions - it all comes at a stiff price, and it's not exactly free of problems.
Euro 6 standards - with reduced NOx - will make it even tougher on diesels to meet emissions standards.

With todays DPF systems, biodiesel is also out of the question, unless in small percentages. With it comes oil dilution and increased wear.
At the moment, we're having 5% biodiesel in regular diesel, possible 7.5% in future.

I'll steer away from diesel in the future.
So it's good to see this downsizing of petrol engines.

Low horsepower used to be ok here in the US. My old VW rabbit only had 65hp and was pretty spunky due to its low weight. My Jeep stock only had 115hp, a friends toyota 4X4 only has something like 95hp all early to mid 80's.

I have been looking at trying to get the 4cyl version for the Jeep, one of the problems though it the ecu is also tied into the transmission and the only thing available is an automatic transaxle 2wd only.

I believe VW takes the 1st generation Honda Insight approach to passing emissions; it runs rich for a little to burn off trapped NOx emissions. Not very expensive, but not enough on bigger diesels (aka BMW and trucks) and inherently cuts into FE.

Back on topic. :)

It sounds like we're getting the 1.0L turbo in the Fiesta AND Focus which is news to me. Of course, the same article also perpetuates a rumor about an electric supercharger... :rolleyes: I also have huge doubts about the Focus hitting 50mpg without some pretty major aero enhancements.

3-Cylinder 2014 Ford Focus EcoBoost To Deliver 50 MPG-Plus?

The Focus and the Fiesta have very similar mpg ratings in the US. The pricing is close as well. Ford would be wise to offer the 5 door Focus with the small engine as it will be easier to sell than the Fiesta.