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Old 05-26-2024, 08:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ganador Style Mirrors

In this forum some one recently posted a beautiful blue Mazda RX7 with some very nice aerodynamic treatments. I wanted to see if there were other RX7's out there (with cool aero) and did a search, and quickly found something I did not expect, a very special looking mirror.

I could find nothing on the history of the Ganador mirror other than it is from Japan, and real ones are quite pricey (and do not work well on LHD as they were designed for RHD).

Thoughts, opinions appreciated (regarding aerodynamic benefits), and maybe if someone can find a CFD or wind tunnel with smoke example lease post it and it's link.

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Old 05-26-2024, 08:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well it still has a flat rear facing mirror, and I am dubious of the hole doing anything more than adding drag.

They do look sexy.
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Well it still has a flat rear facing mirror, and I am dubious of the hole doing anything more than adding drag.

They do look sexy.
Where side view mirrors are usually located is a problematic area prone to turbulence. Anything that tries to make sense of this chaos and funnel the air in a more controlled manner might be an improvement.

I did find a side view, wish that I could find an orthogonal drawing.

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I do not see any taper, but that is not the only way a design like this can be helpful in my opinion.
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I do not see any taper...
It's a converging duct. the result would be a high speed jet punching through the general mayhem abaft the mirror's face.
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It's a converging duct. the result would be a high speed jet punching through the general mayhem abaft the mirror's face.
This high velocity jet would be low pressure, and the surrounding higher pressure air would be sucked into it's path - yes?

Not saying such a path along the side of the car would be anything but disruptive to "air attachment" and "air flow", but if greeted aft by some sort of intake, could manage the flow in a controlled manner.

Think of the diagram below, front of wing jet is the side view mirror, and the aft suction inlet manages the jet so that it conforms to the body's surface or in the image below is attached the top of the wing.

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It's a converging duct. the result would be a high speed jet punching through the general mayhem abaft the mirror's face.
Maybe it funnels the jet of air across the side window, to keep it clean?
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' Ganador mirrors '

They may just be a 'solution' in search of a 'problem'.
McLaren doesn't even use it's own, patented, jetted mirror design.
My present recommendation for side mirror design is Teslas'.
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How about just moving it away from the A-pillar?


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How about just moving it away from the A-pillar?
I was just about to say the McLaren and Tesla designs appear to pull the mirror away from the car slightly more than others - then you clobber it with a mallet.
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Conclusion
Fender mirrors have evolved from a safety innovation of the 1960s into an enduring fixture of Japanese automotive culture. This is a story of how regulation and necessity fostered tradition.

Beyond improving visibility, fender mirrors now encapsulate the look and feel of Japanese cars. Their aesthetic design and customization make fender mirrors artistic expressions. They also represent a beloved driving culture.

Yet as iconic as they’ve become, fender mirrors steadily adapt as well. Digital integration and camera-fed displays show how fender mirrors blend innovation with heritage.

All told, no single car part better symbolizes the ingenuity and passion of Japanese automotive identity than the culture’s iconic fender mirrors. They are a unique blend of safety, style, and history unlikely to fade anytime soon from Japanese streets.
Also, from theSamba: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum: Albert swan neck mirrors history?

Popular in Scandinavian countries in the 1950s, reproductions today. Prone to vibration but good for blind spots.

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