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Old 01-28-2020, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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GM To Invest $2.2 Billion In First All-Electric Vehicle Plant

Today on Slashdot: hardware.slashdot.org: GM To Invest $2.2 Billion In First All-Electric Vehicle Plant, Create 2,200 Jobs (nbcnews.com) . I link to Slashdot for the comment section:

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by cnaumann ( 466328 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:36AM (#59663552)

A $20k gasoline dispenser can pump 10 gallons of gas a minute. If that gasoline is going into a 30MPG car, the “recharging rate” is something like 18,000 mile sper hour.

A $150,000 fast DC charge (250kW) can briefly hit 1000MPH but more realistically charges at about 600MPH.

It will take up to 30 fast DC chargers to replace a single gas pump and cost 200x as much and may take 30 times the area. The equivelent of a six pump would approch $27 Million in cost and would require 2 acres of land.

Worse still, many users will charge at home and the fast charging infrastructure will only be needed during heavy trable times like Thanksgiving and Christmas.

All BEV manufacturers except Teslamare counting on third-parties to build, operate, and maintain this charging network.

I do not see how a third party could possibly afford to stay iin business charging BEVs.

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Old 01-28-2020, 01:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There is a an article about a private petrol station owner whose business was failing because he wasn't making money at his location selling petrol. He took his 17 year old daughter's suggestion to apply for VW money to retrofit the station to DCFC. At a cost of $800,000 all donated funds, the petrol infrastructure was removed and 4 charging stalls built. Utilization is 4-5 cars per day at an average revenue of $5 per charge... so using $800k of someone else's money has allowed them to generate $25 of gross income per day. That doesn't even cover the monthly demand charge for supplying 250 kW capability.

Privately owned charging infrastructure has several huge obstacles to overcome, most notably that they are huge money losers. Fortunately we won't need so many chargers since most people will charge from home most of the time, but there will be a problem with inadequate infrastructure during high travel times. Hopefully smart apps that take into account real time utilization will ease the problem of long charging queues.
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Old 01-28-2020, 01:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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About 8 to 12 years too late.

Yeah electric cars kind of suck for road trips.
The only way my 24kwh leaf is going to make it to the nearest big city is with my vee-8 twin turbo diesel powered leaf range extender.
Next time I'm at the coop I can ask how much 300hp service would run. Then we can only imagine how much the difference between a rural coops rates and corrupt MD would be.

My monthly cost for an insignificant 25kw 3 phase 480v connection would be $42 per month. Then once I use more than about 415kwh per month they charge me an additional 8 cents per kwh.
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2,200 jobs? Does that number sound familiar?

shreveporttimes.com: What's going on with the General Motors Shreveport plant?
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In 2012, GM Shreveport's last year of operation, the plant produced 39,330 trucks and employed 414 hourly workers and 53 salaried workers, according to company data provided by spokesman Daniel Flores. But Flores said the plant employed many more people than those numbers reflect.

“I was in Shreveport several times at the plant when it was running, when we probably had 2,000 to 3,000 people working there," Flores said.
That's the place that Elio asset-stripped before they folded.
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Was eilo a capital pirate?
Sell your old factory to a fake company, they gut out all the machinery unrelated to electric car production, the fake company goes under and you buy your old factory back at a greatly reduced price.

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