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Old 11-27-2017, 04:21 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Bownian movement happens anywhere there isn't a [3D] crystalline matrix, IIRC.

Quantum particles fluctuate in and out of the Multiverse all the time and everywhere.

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Old 11-27-2017, 06:34 PM   #32 (permalink)
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We just need to borrow energy from the multiverse before they figure out how to steal it from us. Perhaps energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be moved from one place to another.

If you could convert the vibration of atoms (heat) into electricity, wouldn't that mean the graphene would cool (vibrate less) in proportion? You would need sufficient surface area with ambient air to replenish the heat.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:36 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I read a sci fi story where one multiverse pulled mass from others until there was enough concentrated to create a big bang.

That is the best explanation that I have ever read.
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Beware the Multiverse. it's not like parallel Universes.

It's an interpretation of Quantum physics where the notional universes constantly influence each other, reconciling with each other (like a blockchain reaching consensus) like a heartbeat on Planck time.
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The Planck time is the length of time at which no smaller meaningful length can be validly measured due to the indeterminacy expressed in Werner Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Theoretically, this is the shortest time measurement that is possible. Planck time is roughly 10−44 seconds... One Planck time is the time it would take a photon travelling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length.
Se also Eric Dollard. He posits that mutli-phase Alternating Current is trading energy back and forth in time (with phase shifting) in this Universe.

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Converting heat into work without a temperature difference would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Iím not sure it has to.

Can overall entropy increase because of a localized decrease of one form of energy?

An ICE generates energy by cooling combustion gases

This proposed device would cool local atoms creating a heat differential with the environment and electricity.

That said how would one collect energy out of a many ghz signal at the nano level?

Sounds unpossible
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An ICE CONVERTS heat from the fuel into motion. At a big loss. Molecules vibrate due to heat. If you take energy out of that vibration they will be cooler and need more heat from somewhere.
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Basically what was proposed is a variation of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet
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Basically what was proposed is a variation of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet
Gotcha, but another issue is a physics one

The act of observation changes what you are observing at a nano scale

What they believe is happening canít be known with certainty and further no device could pull localized energy present in a Nano structure for the same reason
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Like the "Darwin Awardee's" there seems to be a HUGE pool of "Unicorn Awardee" candidates! Pass out those TIN hats!

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Capturing heat energy is to quantum physics as capturing wave energy is to Aristotelian physics. It should be possible, but we're much better at manipulating large quantities of stuff than putting quantum physics to work for us.

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