Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-25-2021, 01:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Big Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Steppes of Central Indiana
Posts: 1,319

The Red Baron - '00 Ford F-350 XLT
90 day: 27.99 mpg (US)

Impala Phase Zero - '96 Chevrolet Impala SS
90 day: 21.03 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 186 Times in 127 Posts
Coal

Re: Post #10

There are lots of ways to classify coal. It has been intensely studied since the eighteenth century.

Coal will probably always be needed for making steel.

__________________
2000 Ford F-350 SC 4x2 6 Speed Manual
4" Slam
3.08:1 gears and Gear Vendor Overdrive
Rubber Conveyor Belt Air Dam
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 06-25-2021, 03:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,645
Thanks: 7,764
Thanked 8,575 Times in 7,061 Posts
More than Anthracite/Bituminous? Anthracite is 'clean coal'. Bituminous is closer to peat.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2021, 05:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
Corporate imperialist
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,181

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 270
Thanked 3,524 Times in 2,798 Posts
K?
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2021, 10:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 12,562
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,625 Times in 1,450 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
Coal will probably always be needed for making steel.
IIRC there were some studies regarding the usage of charcoal instead of fossil coal. It may seem troublesome due to claims of an increased deforestation, but residues of processing of some crops (including some fruits and nuts native to Amazon and other rainforests) can be a feedstock for high-quality charcoal.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2021, 02:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,645
Thanks: 7,764
Thanked 8,575 Times in 7,061 Posts
Too busy to mention it this morning but the new kid on the block is electric smelting

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDG
Making iron without coal or carbon dioxide - News - The ...
https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/...bon-dioxide-1/
Conventional iron-making setups use hydrogen and carbon monoxide from natural gas or coal to remove the oxygen from iron oxide pellets, producing CO 2. The consortium instead plans to reduce the iron using only hydrogen, produced by splitting water with electrolysis powered by clean electricity, an SSAB spokesperson told The Chemical Engineer.
....

Can you produce steel without coal or oil? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-produc...or-oil?share=1
Sure, if you have non fossil fuel sources of electricity. You will need some carbon (as much as 2%) to turn the iron into steel, but that can easily come from renewable resources. Set up an electric arc furnace to supply the heat, and if you use c...

The era of making steel without carbon emissions is here ...
https://www.aumanufacturing.com.au/t...ssions-is-here
The company's molten oxide electrolysis produces steel using electricity instead of coal. Gates said: "Boston Metal is working on a way to make steel using electricity instead of coal, and to make it just as strong and cheap.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2021, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
Somewhat crazed
 
Piotrsko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: 1826 miles WSW of Normal
Posts: 4,061
Thanks: 467
Thanked 1,111 Times in 980 Posts
Cast iron has lots of impurities relative to steel. Once it is molten, by any process you choose, you remove all the impurities through chemical absorption or oxidation. Bessemer used air jets through the kettle and scraped off the slag.

Then you put the materials back in in the proportion you need. Not rocket science.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2021, 12:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missoula, MT
Posts: 2,652

Dark Egg - '12 VW Touraeg
Thanks: 300
Thanked 1,176 Times in 806 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr View Post
IIRC there were some studies regarding the usage of charcoal instead of fossil coal. It may seem troublesome due to claims of an increased deforestation, but residues of processing of some crops (including some fruits and nuts native to Amazon and other rainforests) can be a feedstock for high-quality charcoal.
All the metal smelting in western Montana was done with charcoal from local kilns before coal was available. Ironically Montana is like tha Saudia Arabia of coal but they didn't know it was there or had no access to it or the developed coal of the east. What they did have was forests and clay so they built these beehive looking kilns and burned the wood starved of oxygen to make charcoal. Burns hot enough to extract any metals out of solid rocks.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2021, 08:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 12,562
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,625 Times in 1,450 Posts
Most of the Brazilian coal, usually located in Santa Catarina and my home state Rio Grande do Sul, is of a low quality with a lot of sulphur contamination, just like the coal which exploded aboard the Titanic leading to a fire that weakened a section of the hull, leading to the sheetmetal being shredded at the impact with the iceberg. So, most of the Brazilian steel mills operate with coal imported from South Africa, while local coal is mostly used as a fuel for powerplants.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com