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oil pan 4 09-29-2020 12:43 PM

How to prevent wild fires.
 
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Smokey the bear was both correct and incorrect.
The bear was wrong in respecrt that you're not going to prevent wild fires in the middle of nowhere where they don't threaten people's homes. They're actually a good thing aside from it making the air pollution go to china levels for a little while. There's no rational reason to waste resources, spill blood, get people killed over a fire that's not about to damage anything. Mother nature loves fire, pick your battles carefully.
The bureau of land management says that at least 84% and up to 90% of wild fires are ignited by man. Either by negligence or arson.
I think we should bring back burning people at the stake for arsonists that intentionally start fires that result in deaths.

Where you don't want the wild fire burning is up close to your house and vehicles you have to do nature's job for her.
In that case smokey the bear is correct, you, your family, maybe some friends, a chainsaw, ditch ax, machete, bypass loppers, lawnmower, weedeater, wood chipper, a large weed burner or small flame thrower, a little controlled burn can prevent wildfires.
Clear out dead brush, wild undergrowth, dead and dieing vertical and horizontal trees.
You can do a lot with non power tools and a vehicle but really at some point you need a chainsaw to clear the dead trees that are over 4 inches in diameter.
Don't think you can push over dead trees, that's a good way to get hit on the head with a dead tree limb.
"Logging" is a dangerous job look at the tool list, it looks like a purge movie and the fact trees are coming down.
See youtube for ideas on how not to die or lose limbs when using said tools. Plentyof vids showing people trying to push over a tree only to succeed in getting hit on the head a falling dead tree limb.

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freebeard 10-25-2020 03:29 PM

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I think we should bring back burning people at the stake for arsonists that intentionally start fires that result in deaths.
I understand, but the death penalty has a downside. How about cremated after a life sentence?

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"Logging" is a dangerous job look at the tool list, it looks like a purge movie and the fact trees are coming down.
Sometimes A Great Notion explored the lifestyle. Ken Kesey wrote "When you take things out of the forest, the forest takes something out of you." It had the most horrific logger drowning scene I ever read.

oil pan 4 10-25-2020 06:24 PM

I wouldn't want people to be burned at the stake at the drop of a hat like they did back in the Spanish inquisition. It would be like treason level crime and punishment.
I would say the criteria would be prior arson conviction with intent to harm or destroy property, 2 instances of setting fires with physical evidence and witnesses/cam footage the DA would have to have an air tight case.
Because does society really have room for people who just want to watch the world burn?

Logging is like one of the top 3 or 4 most dangerous jobs in the US.
The most dangerous logging in the word I am aware of is in Japan, they average 1 death a week for the whole year. Its almost all down hill logging there which is insane.

Fat Charlie 10-25-2020 06:42 PM

Maybe we should sentence arsonists to logging.

freebeard 10-26-2020 12:32 AM

I just watched the news from some small town in Oregon. It looks like chain saw injuries might outpace COVID cases for a while.

Piotrsko 10-26-2020 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 634651)
I just watched the news from some small town in Oregon. It looks like chain saw injuries might outpace COVID cases for a while.

It's Oregon fer chrissakes, the place where they issue drivers licenses as a crackerjack prize

oil pan 4 11-01-2020 04:19 AM

It's a travesty this has only been viewed 110k times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72NtXxyLs

freebeard 11-01-2020 11:53 AM

Flatlanders have it easy.

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rmay635703 11-01-2020 12:58 PM

The primary problem is that people are being motivated to waste money to place their very flammable cheaply built McMansion in unlivable places.

If they want to builD fireproof homes with no insurance or cheap stuff built like a Native American in the 1500’s have at her, if not keep the f out.

Most of these places are in the middle of non-maintained federal lands that are meant to burn Every 10-30 years, if people want to live in a burn region they shouldn’t be able to have insurance and should be told point blank what sacrifices would need to be made to live in a burn zone. (Which likely isn’t compatible with a stick built composite tinder box)


The next crisis is that we are 70 years overdue for a “Valley” 100 year flood which will wipe out anything not 40 feet above the median level. Native Americans have provided what to watch for and how high to expect, experts have been watching but don’t think there will be enough warning to get people let alone livestock out of the area.

freebeard 11-01-2020 01:34 PM

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if people want to live in a burn region they shouldn’t be able to have insurance and should be told point blank what sacrifices would need to be made to live in a burn zone.
I contend that I could design a home that would be a reverse-sacrifice (whatever that might be called).
monolithic composite shell
basalt geo-textile mesh reinforcement
geo-polymer sandstone matrix
water tank and collapsible skylight at the summit
blast-proofing berms in front of the entrance (for the Atomic stuff)
It might cost just as much as the McMansion but there are subtle psychological benfits to living in an hemisphere instead of under a flat [overcast] ceiling.


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