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Old 01-20-2011, 06:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Except that for every hp second you put into the accumulator at 80% efficiency you can only put .64 hp to the ground because you are doubling your losses. Meaning the best FE may not be to run at best BSFC but to throttle back on ICE and run through a more efficient drive train. A 36% drop in efficiency is significant so the "island of better FE through engine throttle" would be large.
Peak efficiency for hydraulic pumps is 95% and for accumulator it is 99%.

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How Chrysler's Hydraulic Hybrid Works: Energy From Pressure - Green Car Reports

It looks like the rear is lower than a normal one -- how much would a high pressure 14.4 gallon accumulator weigh?

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Hydraulic Hybrid Bicycle Research | Clean Automotive Technology | US EPA

The weight of the accumulator would depend on its construction. Carbon fiber accumulators would save considerable weight.

The link above shows a HH bicycle. I am not saying it's practical but it certainly is do able.

My thoughts center around the early Insight I had and how it would be neat to find one that had a bad transmission or other components that made it too expensive to repair, and convert it to a HH.

With one of my drive designs in each front wheel and a carbon fiber accumulator replacing the battery and other components that would no longer be necessary, it would be interesting to compare it to the original designs efficiency.

The early Insight's battery only range was very limited, but they used the battery in the same way a HH would operate. Accumulator capacity would be minimal, at least half of the 14 gallons required to move something the weight of the Chrysler minivan.

Depending on the actual configuration, you could eliminate the transmission, axles, induction system, battery, battery modules, high power electrical system. and some other components I probably forgot.

I wonder what the mileage would compare to the 68 MPG I averaged in mine for over 20k miles, and I managed 70 MPG one day for 575 miles at average speeds of right at 55 MPH.

You could also toss the IC engine and use a battery to drive the primary pump, with no voltage conversion or modules, just an on off setup the kept the accumulator charged to a certain level, then drive the car and regenerate with the hydraulic accumulator and in wheel drives. Range would be limited like current electric designs, but it would be much more efficient in urban scenarios where there was a significant amount of regeneration opportunities.

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Hybrid hydraulic systems for trucks.
But notice where they get used: garbage trucks, and other applications that have an extreme stop & go cycle. Plus garbage trucks already have hydraulics for the lift/compact machinery... I'm not really convinced that a HH car would give much advantage in ordinary driving.
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I think the reason that they did it on those vehicles is they have the best advantage and using electric would not work well unless the engine is only used for charging.
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That is awesome! I hope they perfect that hydraulic accumulator system. If gas prices go way up again then someone will perfect it.
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The biggest problem w/ hydraulic hybrids in passenger vehicles is the weight of the accumulator. Even low weight CF accumulators still run about 240lbs for ~.3kWh of energy storage. A battery pack in something like the Prius is ~100lbs and has ~.7kWh of useful energy, so even low weight accumulators would clock in above 500lbs to get to the same amount of energy storage a 100lb NiMH battery pack has.

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