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Gasoline Fumes 09-11-2013 06:09 PM

I got pulled over for an eco mod
I got pulled over for not having an outside mirror. The officer was OK with my little convex side-view mirror inside the car. No ticket issued.

NYS requirements are a bit vague on whether or not the side-view mirror needs to be outside:

Every vehicle must be equipped with a mirror or other reflecting device, adjusted so the operator has a clear and full view of the road and conditions of traffic behind the vehicle. 1968 or newer models must have an adjustable left side-view mirror. All 1970 or newer models must be equipped with an adjustable interior mirror in addition to the required outside mirrors. 1991 and newer models require day/night mirrors.

oil pan 4 09-11-2013 09:44 PM

Their mirror law sound a lot like most states.
But they have added a little bit more.

Yeah the law says "adjustable left side view mirror" doesn't say it has to be an exterior unit.

Gasoline Fumes 09-11-2013 10:35 PM

But then they refer to it as an outside mirror in the next sentence.

Jasen 09-11-2013 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by Gasoline Fumes (Post 390076)
But then they refer to it as an outside mirror in the next sentence.

This possess a question. Does it specify minimum dimensions or sq. in.

California98Civic 09-11-2013 10:58 PM

The vagueness only seems like an opportunity to interpret the law. In reality, the officers' interpretations will be what decides if you get pulled over repeatedly, and if you get a ticket. You might get out of a ticket, but not without first getting pull over, repeatedly, and perhaps going to court. And getting out of it once, does not mean another officer will not interpret you as violating the law and ticket you again.

That's why I got pulled over twice, escaping a ticket. I put the driver side back on. Two years without getting pulled over.

For what it's worth, aerohead swears that speed testing with highly sensitive equipment was unable to detect any change in top speed, to the thousandth of an MPH (IIRC) with or without the outside mirrors. His is a fourth gen Civic too.

Sorry you got hassled.

Gasoline Fumes 09-11-2013 11:33 PM

I've had the mirror off most of the time for about 2-3 years without being pulled over. I do reinstall it for inspection every year. I don't know how much the mirror affects MPG, but it sure makes tufts dance on my windows!

XYZ 09-12-2013 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by Gasoline Fumes (Post 390076)
But then they refer to it as an outside mirror in the next sentence.

Yes, the statute does say that, and it's specific. There is nothing vague about it.

Easier to put the external mirror back on the car. Unless you want to bait the police officer if and when you are stopped again, after you were let off with a warning.

Those who go looking for trouble will find it. The choice is yours. ;)

Fat Charlie 09-12-2013 02:02 PM

The specification for the side mirrors doesn't require them to be outside the vehicle. They are referred to as outside mirrors to differentiate them from the center mirror.

But police attention can render any mod ineffective. Going to court to get a ticket thrown out is less efficient than not getting pulled over for the same reason.

justme1969 09-12-2013 03:03 PM

I stopped by the weight scales located in the middle of my route to ask about mirror deletes.
He came up with the answer 2 days later that pax mirror is optional in MS. as well as the rearview unless visabillity is restricted.
Drivers side was a mandatory but potential to get it enforced was slim except when!!!
With this info I ripped off literally the Pax o/s mirror and "lucky 4 me not all cars will" folded back drivers mirror. It is far from perfect situation but anything that reduces signature @65 - 70 MPH is good stuff.
LONG to short JUST ask the Pros.

basjoos 09-12-2013 05:10 PM

None of the cops who pulled me over for other ecomod quibbles or simply to satisfy their curiosity ever had any problems with my interior side mirrors. Whenever they pulled me over I would ask them if there was anything about my car that wasn't legal. I got pulled over about 12 times for the first couple of years as I aeromodded my car, but now since all of the cops know my car, I haven't been pulled over for the past several years. But SC law just says that you have to have a mirror that allows you see 100 yards behind your car with no specification of an interior or exterior location.

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