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Old 03-13-2010, 04:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If FE is your thing, why purchase not drive an econo box?

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Old 03-13-2010, 07:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Because I'm 6'3" 230 and drive 40k miles a year.
Because 02-06 Q45s are the best value in the luxo/sedan market
Because I can.
Because only a 'bigot' would ask that question.

Look if I can get 31mpg in a 4000lb V8 with 340hp and ride in style....why buy a econ box?

At least I'm not the guy running up you rear and flashing and honking......

and the best reason......I want to live thru the crash.
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I hate it when you look at me like that...........



ok, I got a little carried away.......
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A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.



Who's the bigot? All I'm suggesting is that FE motivations is more satisfying in an FE car, rather than your premise, that it doesn't matter what you drive... which is slightly irrational.
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At 72 MPH I get 46+ MPG in my $3500 car, with less than 54k on the odometer.

My parents are alive today because they were in a 77 Honda Accord and avoided a head on collision with a drunk in a Cadillac when he swerved into their lane on US1 in Marathon in the Florida Keys.

Pop averaged 39.5 MPG in that Accord for 50 k miles in the late 70s.

Both the Accord and my VX were totalled and I rebuilt them, one in 1978, the other in 2008.

Pop turns 89 this May 8th, B17 pilot in WW2, Mom turns 85 August 3rd. They both drive Cadillac Eldorados (99 and 01) and average close to 30 MPG on the highway.

There is a valid rationale for driving the heavier car and sacrificing mileage for perceived safety, but the above example shows that a smaller more maneuverable car has advantages in emergency maneuvers.

The problem with the philosophy of driving a heavier car because it is more safe in a collision, is that provides an incentive to just make and buy heavier and heavier cars. It's like an arms race of sorts and in many cases promotes aggressive driving in the larger cars.

I see that every day, and I just laugh when the Suburban pulls over 2 lengths in front of me. My mileage just went up 10 MPG!


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My three Ford Focus and my F150 all do better than both of these cars, and I can't drive 55. I am usually 60 and up. The Truck (till it was wrecked from ice on the road not speed) got 18+. The two older Focus 2002 and 2006 both with automatics get about 29, and the new 2009 with manual is currently getting 35.9. The 2009 should do much better with aero mods and tightening of the nut behind the wheel.
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narrow-minded and irrational.....yeah your a bigot!
by saying that if I want FE I should do it in a FE car is also lazy.

But stepping outside the box I have somehow stoke the flames of narrow-mindedness.

instead of welcoming to the fold all who want to try, youwant everyone to walk lockstep in FE cars.

I have a dear friend who is has can't drive for health reasons and also has arthritis. she gets rides from many different people. She constantly comment how comfortable and quite my car is. And it is. Because that's what you get when you have a car like that.

so yes, you are narrow minded and irrational. Getting FE in an FE car is like an open book test. Someone already did all the work and you just looking up the answers.

Life is fully lived when conformity is set aside and questioned are asked.

Why can't I fe my car?
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Okay, so I'm a lazy bigot according to you. Yeah, good one dude.

Do you work for big oil? Why not set a good example for your children and others to learn by instead of name calling others who make valid points regarding a nations vehicle choices, that nation with the largest carbon footprint per citizen? How embarrassing for you in other nations eyes! (not that Kiwis are much better)

I suppose here comes another vitriolic defence of improving FE on big heavy cars, instead of considering a more planet friendly vehicle as viable? Ignorance.....
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Mcrews, I agree with you: the challenge isn't simply what is the best FE I can get, but what is the best FE I can get with what I have. Who really rises to the challenge? The driver who buys an economy car, or the driver who improves the efficiency of a luxury car/ sports car / muscle car / truck? Personally, I'm much more impressed by a driver who manages 25 mpg out of car rated for 18mpg than I am with a bandwagon greenie who gets 30 mpg in a car rated as such. The same type of narrow-minded thinking you are deriding here is rampant in the performance drivers' groups as well - just apply it to racing rather than FE. Plenty of people believe the "performance car" name applies only to cars defined in some unknown rulebook as performance cars. The RWD guys say it has to be RWD, the V8 guys say it has to be big displacement (and RWD, and usually 2 door), the Eurosnobs make exception for the V6 forcefed "sport sedans", the "rally car" wannabes make exception for Japanese AWD turbo fours, etc. etc. Just as in the FE realm, in the sport driving world, it's not necessarily about what you drive (or race), but how you drive it.
I'm new to the FE thing, and I make no claim to being good at it. I've got a bit more experience in autocross/track racing, and make no claim to being all that good at that either. However, I've lost count of the "superior performance" cars I've embarrassed both at the autocross and track day events in my substandard non-performance FWD (and Haldexed) cars. That is a tradition I plan to continue. I hope to get a bit better mileage in between race days though. I commend your quest to improve mileage while enjoying your drive as you do. I don't think it is impossible to serve more than one master, so to speak.

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