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Old 12-21-2009, 09:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just curious if anyone here has put a small commercial turbodiesel (in a pickup)

in a pickup? I have been digging around and have to decided to take the plunge and do it. I have talked to several people who have done it and they get between 40 and 68 mpg. For example, i found a mitsubishi 4 cyl. turbodiesel that was rated at like 60HP and the BSFC chart said that at FULL LOAD AND FULL REV it only used 2.8 gallons per hour, and at 1/4 load and full rev it used a mere .9gph. The person I talked to from the the shop where this engine was said he has sold 4 or 5 to people for use in pickup trucks and they all get better than 40 mpg. anybody here tried it?

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Old 12-21-2009, 09:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No, but I doubt you will get 40-68mpg at speeds above 25mph. Also you will definately need a manual transmission with at least 6 gears all very close together like a semi.

60hp is quite small, I would love to have the old 60hp 2.8ltr olds/GM diesel in my buick though, it would be very long and slow up to 55mph but not much different than my 25hp Subaru 360 but that car only weighs 900lbs

You might also consider the old Isuzu 1.9ltr diesel found in both FWD & RWD chevy chevettes as it was a very reliable motor, though not turbo, but then again it was also 60hp and for auto use, also it would be much easier to attach a drivetrain to since Chevy likes using all the same stuff.

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Old 12-21-2009, 10:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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A lot of us 1L guys will tell you 60HP is plenty... in a one ton car. How light of a pickup can you find/make?
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rated at like 60HP and the BSFC chart said that at FULL LOAD AND FULL REV it only used 2.8 gallons per hour
What's that work out to in terms of grams per KW-hr, and in terms of thermodynamic efficiency?
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A lot of us 1L guys will tell you 60HP is plenty... in a one ton car. How light of a pickup can you find/make?What's that work out to in terms of grams per KW-hr, and in terms of thermodynamic efficiency?
First off a 1ton pickup and a 1ton car are very different

Second the lightest pickup made was 1100lbs and is called a Subaru 360 sambar, all the lightest pickups then to present are Japanese minis.

The smallest conventional truck is a very old ford ranger which with 60hp is best left as an in town vehicle due to aero issues or the very old 4 banger Ford car with a pickup truck bed thingies which also had only about 60hp stock in the late 50's & early 60';s

Oddly enough 2.8 gallons per hour per 60 HP is very efficient, I wonder if the op is willing to divulge WHAT MODEL of motor he is specifically citing? That is near 40% efficiency mind you (maybe wrong but the worlds most powerfull diesel article can't be wrong I don't think)

There are 50mpg smallish diesel trucks made by Isuzu overseas but that is at 50mph.
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My first car, 1965 L320 Datsun Pickup. Got over 30 Highway and had a cute little 60HP tag under the 1200CC lgo.. 65MPH with a strong tail wind. had 4.38 axle gears. Weighed about 1850 on the scale at the log scaling station by my house.

Had a little itty bitty 2 barrel carb, Primary was about 3/4 in and the secondary about 1 in. In neutral it would rev til the carb just gave up, couldn't flow enough air to blow the critter up...

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The key thing to check out is the torque delivery for a TD rather than comparing HP, so the Isuzu TD is likely to be much more sprightly than the old GM 2.8.

Example comparison - 1991 Opel Kadett TD (1.5 Isuzu engine) has roughly the same HP (mid 60s) as a 1991 Peugeot 205 NA Diesel. 0-60 in the Kadett takes under 12 seconds, top speed roughly 105. In the Pug 0-60 takes over 16 seconds and top speed is just about 90. Max torque in the Kadett is 105 lb/ft, the Pug only had 88.

I had a Kadett as my first TD car and it was a sprinter. Then I had a 205 which although it was more comfortable, better made and handled like (better than) a sports car it was definitely much slower - a slugger really. You didn't ever overtake in the Pug but in the Kadett it was simple to just prod and blap past anything without changing gear. Its addictive - my current car makes 230 lb/ft

The key to this conversion will be gearing. The gearing for Petrol will be lower than the Diesel will like. Remember with a Diesel the rev range is lower - typically only up to 4,500 or 5,000 rpm for older IDI/mechanical pump engines. Diesels have a limiter to prevent over-revving. BMC had a 1.5 Diesel saloon meant as a taxi in the 1960s and the engine would push against the limiter in top as it still had the petrol car's ratios.

Trucks (as in semis) have narrower and more gears because they redline at 2,000 or less in some cases so they need gears to give them a decent on-road speed range as well as the ability to pull large weight.

The lack of gearing can ruin a conversion - I drove a conversion of a Pug 1.8 TD into a Suzuki Vitara in the early 90s and it was superb up to 60. After that the engine was pushing up against the limiter and wouldn't go any faster - the gearing was setup for the standard 1.6 Petrol the Vitara came with from the factory.

If you are going to drive slower than that then this may be OK for you. You should aim for roughly 20-25mph/1000 rpm in top to give a decent cruising ability, lower depending on the weight of the vehicle and how much you use it full vs empty - flexibility when laden may be more important.

There are loads of other things to take into account such as fuel delivery, fuel heating if you are in a really cold area to prevent waxing. Payback will depend on cost. Doing it yourself in your own time might make it worthwhile.

What in the US had the Isuzu engine ? In Europe loads of GM vehicles had them from 1.5 NA to 1.9 TDs. You may find them in South America where GM makes some European style cars ?
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What in the US had the Isuzu engine?
...the 1981 Chevrolet* Chevette used an Isuzu 1.8L I4 diesel (51 hp) engine and 5-speed manual transmission--I had one for a VERY short time.

* also: Pontiac T1000

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Read the thread about Bennelson's S-10 conversion to a M-B 617 with a manual transmission. He's doing a lot of what you need to be thinking of.
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40mpg would be no problem at 55 mph...I got 30.94mpg at 55mph from Las Vegas to Los Angeles in my 7,000 pound dually. Diesels are efficient.

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