Legendary car flops

[jkp1187]

And, despite what the article asserts, the Cadillac Cimmaron did not "pave the way" for the CTS. That accolade goes to the (still unsuccessful) Catera.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

Volt isn't EV2?

To me, it's so different, Volt goes in another category.

[cfg83]

texanidiot25 -

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

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Volt isn't EV2?

You took the letters right out of my fingers! In the book there was a big debate as to whether to do a 4-passenger EV up-front or a 2-passenger EV *followed* by a 4-passenger EV. All the profit was supposed to happen maybe 10+ years later when the 4-passenger EV was introduced.

I do know that some of the EV1 folks are working on the Volt, so I am sure they are calling it EV2 on the inside.

CarloSW2

[99LeCouch]

Aztek. Good idea, just bad marketing. And lackluster performance. If I wanted a minivan chassis, I'd buy a minivan.

[Patrick]

I could have bought a Mercedes but instead I bought 17 Yugos - 1 to drive and 16 for parts.

[texanidiot25]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

To me, it's so different, Volt goes in another category.

Well it isn't EV1.1.3 I think the biggest flaws for the EV1 in the real world were it's seating capacity, and it's range (and what had to be done when you ran out). The Volt is the continuation of this idea of an electric car, but much more practical and reliable in the event of the batts being discharged. As far as I know, the EV1 was little more than a glorified golf-cart basically, nothing too ground breaking outside of being available (for a short time) to a consumer.

It's the spiritual successor to the EV1

[Toby]

Don't quote me on this. I remember hearing some GM exec say in a radio interview years ago that the EV1 cost them close to $80,000 to produce. This figure may have been massaged to reduce the public outcry when the cars were recalled.

I remember when I first read about the EV1, that it seemed like they were throwing more at it than necessary. I honestly think they may have hedged their bets on that car's development by throwing in expensive elements that weren't really necessary. Were they trying to muddy the water regarding the technology required for an EV?

[gone-ot]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

It's the spiritual successor to the EV1

...EV1 predates the Volt.

...and, the EV1 was merely a "loss-leader" for GM to feel "eco" about and to be able to gain "brownie points" with the EPA in Wash, DC.

...ie, "buying" green brownie points.

[texanidiot25]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

...EV1 predates the Volt.

That's what I mean when I say the Volt is the spiritual successor to the EV1. While not directly based on the EV1, it carries the intentions and ideas on. And yeah, I've always seen the EV1 as a glorified golf-cart.

[bgd73]

I can't even read the aticle. One blogger, one selfish mind, and I bet too dainty to use vise grips. Gotta keep those midget keyboard hands good.



all cars are legendary. fix the darn problems. It is then a real legend emerges determining losers from winners..