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Old 10-07-2013, 10:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The powder tends to clog in the bottom.
(bottom is relative to the position of the fire extinguisher, could well be along one side of the bottle)

If it hasn't solidified completely, you can shake it free by putting the extinguisher down pretty hard.

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That does it, now anyone knows that if there is ugly head rearing involved here, it is just Big Oil mouthing another piece of blabber.
They must get really afraid now for using these desperate tactics.
I think Big Oil placed that large piece of metal there on purpose. They must have watched for months to see exactly when that Model S would drive in that exact spot. They may even have had the metal on a spring release mechanism so it could actuate at the proper time.

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Old 10-07-2013, 05:43 PM   #23 (permalink)
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While the batteries don't hold lithium in its atomic form, they are still a fire hazard to be reckoned with. Even when as small as a laptop battery.
Fire Hazard is relative ... paper is a fire hazard , sunlight is a fire hazard ... etc.

Just for fun.
Thinking about Li Batteries.
Have you seen the LiFePO4 A123 pouch cell abuse video?
I like the hatchet test part.

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I think a good distinction to be made is that gasoline is an accelerant. Anything soaked in gasoline or lit on fire by it will burn violently. It seems the Lithium only set the "frunk" on fire, and it's contents (upholstery, plastic etc.) burned slowly using it's own much lower potential chemical energy. Compared to what gasoline would have done if present, it seems much more manageable.
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Think about the ecomod that'd be to delete them all ...
We could also eliminate the 150 kilograms of (give or take) ballast attached to the drive wheels and put pedals on all those cars... ... that would eliminate most of the fire hazard, as well.

Wanted to join a local hillclimb series a while back. Balked when I saw that I needed a plumbed-in fire system. So much for simplicity...
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We could also eliminate the 150 kilograms of (give or take) ballast attached to the drive wheels and put pedals on all those cars... ... that would eliminate most of the fire hazard, as well.
That just might reduce emissions, too!
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I don't know about the emissions part... have you ever sat in a car with four other sweaty people? Eww. Especially after a drive-through burrito.
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From the EVDL, here is an excellent quote from the Tesla fire discussion:
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When people see the fire extinguisher in my car and are concerned on why I
need one and if the car is dangerous. I point out the following. If a gas
car catches on fire I would run like hell. With an electric car I have the
option of calmly putting the fire out, thus the fire extinguisher.
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I have a gasoline car that has caught on fire 3 times since I have owned it. I can still drive it and it didn't require a hazmat team to clean it up afterward. The point is you can put a gasoline fire out quickly and easily.

Lithium ion batteries are particularly dangerous. You almost always have a big fire with them because the electrical energy discharges through the burning area feeding the flames. When they catch fire they spew toxic fumes. They also don't like it when you try to put them out with water. Other battery chemistries don't have this problem

Good thing your car is not fission powered.

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