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Old 06-02-2020, 12:31 AM   #41 (permalink)
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He's saying this is the Workhorse axle motor. Workhorse dropped the hub motor design and another investor bought it and created Lordstown motors named after the Lordstown GM plant he also bought to make his pickup.

To me the Lordstown guy seems serious about making the EV, and it seems all the prototypes have hub motors. Maybe they have figured out the shortcomings or know nobody else is making pickups that last much more than 200,000 either without a $5000 motor or a $3000 transmission or $4000 worth of fuel injector work or all of the above. Even if it needed $10,000 worth of new hub motors after that it's still under what and average new pickup is going to bleed you.
Lordstown Motors and the Workhorse Group have the same founder - Steve Burns.

As sandwichse said, Lordstown is just a spin-off from Workhorse. Workhorse "sold" the dead W15 pickup project to Lordstown. The deal is convoluted but the most significant term is that Workhorse gets 1% of all money that Lordstown Motor's raises.

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As sandwichse said, Lordstown is just a spin-off from Workhorse. Workhorse "sold" the dead W15 pickup project to Lordstown. The deal is convoluted but the most significant term is that Workhorse gets 1% of all money that Lordstown Motor's raises.
Seems like Lordstown became some sort of lab for Workhorse to better analyze technologies not yet proven, before risking it all trying to fit those into their bread-and-butter.
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Seems like Lordstown became some sort of lab for Workhorse to better analyze technologies not yet proven, before risking it all trying to fit those into their bread-and-butter.
It is more likely a shell company designed to move bad debt off Workhorse Group's books and get some value for a project that didn't work.
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It is more likely a shell company designed to move bad debt off Workhorse Group's books
This wouldn't really surprise me.


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Even though I don't really hold my breath for hub-motors, I still believe they might have some utility once their design gets some improvements to make them more reliable under harsh environmental conditions.
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Even though I don't really hold my breath for hub-motors, I still believe they might have some utility once their design gets some improvements to make them more reliable under harsh environmental conditions.

GE has been using electric wheel motors in their series electric mining trucks for decades. In the right application they work well. The problem for on-highway vehicles seems to be the high bearing speeds required to go 80-100 mph



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Hub motors are great. Gear reduction hub motors go back at least as far as the 1960s.
So you have to think, at least several times over the last 60 years some one got the great idea "hey let's put these in a car" and every time it was tried it failed.
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Back in the 60's, you couldn't finely control high current with the existing technology without wasting it into excess heat. Then batteries sucked.

Things improved slowly

Maybe this iteration has the magic combination, probably not.
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In the 1960s they just used induction motors and diesel engines on alternators for an ultra low tech variable speed drive to power these hub motors.
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Back in the 60's, you couldn't finely control high current with the existing technology without wasting it into excess heat.
Advances on solid-state electronics were a blessing.


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Then batteries sucked.
They're still seemingly not as practical in the eyes of the average Joe as filling a tank with some random liquid fuel.

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